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“#Boss Level and the Future of Streaming \u2013 \/Film<\/strong>”<\/p>\n

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\"Joe<\/p>\n

There are certain directors who could easily be a character in one of their own movies<\/a>.\u00a0Joe Carnahan\u00a0<\/strong>is one of those filmmakers. He\u2019s got an energy and personality that would feel right at home in his more fast-talking, adrenaline-fueled movies. Of course, Carnahan starred in his first movie,\u00a0Blood, Guts, Bullets and Octane<\/em>, and app<\/a>eared in his bombastic popcorn movie\u00a0The A-Team, <\/em>as well as his one night-gone-wrong in Los Angeles film,\u00a0Stretch.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

When you talk to the director, you hear the same voice we hear in his work, including his latest movie,\u00a0Boss Level<\/strong><\/em>.\u00a0<\/em>It\u2019s an action movie set in a time loop in which Carnahan gets to kill his latest movie\u2019s producer,\u00a0Frank Grillo<\/strong>, over and over again. Last year, the director behind Ticker<\/em><\/a>\u00a0reunited with Grillo for the already-in-the-can,\u00a0Copshop<\/em>. Recently, we talked to the filmmaker about his latest movie, both his madcap and dramatic work, streaming, and collaborating with Grillo and, controversially, Mel Gibson<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Just before you were about to shoot, you had around a 42-day shoot slashed to 27. How did you all pull that off?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, man. 27 days, and you wouldn\u2019t even know it. We had this thing we called the Jam Room, which is short for the Jamiroquai Room where it\u2019s a big fight. There\u2019s an old Jamiroquai song, \u201cVirtual Insanity,\u201d which is where the set moves around him. It\u2019s just really cool, and it\u2019s an old video<\/a>, but I thought it was really cool and an interesting way to stage a fight scene. We had this whole thing built out.<\/p>\n

Jon Billington<\/strong>, the designer, had mocked up this whole set and then thought, \u201cWe just can\u2019t do it. I don\u2019t have the time to do it.\u201d I had to make a creative decision, and you\u2019d never know what it is in the movie because it works beautifully. It\u2019s the equivalent of our version of Indy pulling the gun on the guy and shooting him, instead of having to fight with the guy with the sword. So, beyond that dude, you got to be disciplined, and you have to plan and shoot, and you have to stick to that. I like that because it puts you on the spot. If you\u2019re prepared and you prepared properly, it makes you able to test-fire what these things will look like.<\/p>\n

Certainly on Copshop<\/em>, man, I have a plan, a really rigid plan. I get to say, \u201cYou know what? Let\u2019s do this now. Let\u2019s alter that slightly,\u201d because it was better. In my mind, it was better, even though we started with a basic strategy, and a game<\/a> plan of how you\u2019re going to shoot something, what your angles are, what your shots are, what the movements are, so on.<\/p>\n

So, that was the same on Boss Level<\/em>. I had to be very rigid about what I was shooting, what I needed to make the sequences work, not restricting the ebb and flow of creativity between the actors, between myself and the actors. You couldn\u2019t say, \u201cOh, don\u2019t worry guys. We can shoot this 20 times.\u201d No, we can shoot this four times, five times max, and we got to move.
\nYou got to dial it in. It was a very technical film to dial in, but I think we\u2019re very fortunate to have extraordinarily creative people around me. Jon Billington, the production designer, Jayna Mansbridge<\/strong> does wardrobe, and they\u2019re very, very highly skilled, very intelligent people. They are able to bail me out and save me from my more base instincts. And I had Frank, who\u2019s my first collaborator and a guy that understands shorthand and knew what we were going for, and the vibe we were going for. He and I had lived with it for almost a decade, trying to get this movie made.<\/p>\n

The short answer to my now long answer, Jack: if I didn\u2019t have this movie in my bloodstream for that amount of time, I don\u2019t think I could have done it. It was so wired into what I was doing because I\u2019d spent so much time contemplating it, pontificating what would I do? How would I do this? How would I do that? A lot of these things were ingrained. These things are in storage already. So, that helped me a lot.<\/p>\n

You mentioned your base instincts. There are the instincts that produce movies such as\u00a0Stretch <\/em>and\u00a0Boss Level<\/em>, and then your instincts behind dramas like Narc<\/em> and The Grey<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Right.<\/p>\n

Are there just certain times in your career where you say, \u201cI just want to go nuts\u201d? How are stories like\u00a0The Grey\u00a0<\/em>and\u00a0Narc\u00a0<\/em>born?\u00a0<\/strong>
\nI think it just depends on where you are at that period of your life and there are things you want to say. I think sometimes you want to have a very serious discussion with yourself, and those serious discussions become serious artwork, or serious music, or serious movies, or whatever it may be.<\/p>\n

It depends on what that discourse is. My first movie was this little movie called, Blood, Guts, Bullets and Octane<\/em> that I\u2019m actually going to re-release because I redid it all in 4K. It was a goofy little movie that gave me my start, but I always thought that there is any number of things I really enjoy in the film, and it\u2019s not just the madcap, although I love to laugh. I love to laugh, and I love funny stuff, and I love action stuff.<\/p>\n

Something like Narc<\/em>, it\u2019s a very interpersonal product. At that time, I was going through a divorce. So, I think I was thinking about that. And then on The Grey<\/em>, I just come out of The A-Team<\/em> and I thought it was this overly jocular\u2026 I wanted to go in a different direction. I think that\u2019s always a good thing when you step outside of your comfort zone and really step outside.<\/p>\n

In the next film I do, I don\u2019t want it to be anything like what I just did on Copshop<\/em>, which is much more akin to Smokin\u2019 Aces<\/em>. Although it\u2019s very Smokin\u2019 Aces<\/em>, it\u2019s not nihilistic. Smokin\u2019 Ace<\/em>s was a nihilism that I thought was appropriate for that time and place. Copshop<\/em>\u00a0is much more of a heroic neo-feminist western. Like, a neo-feministic saloon western. I love the movie. I\u2019m obviously biased.<\/p>\n

It just depends, man. I\u2019m lucky I can still do it, Jack, honestly. I\u2019m lucky that I\u2019m still able to go out and make a movie. A lot of people don\u2019t have that good fortune, and I\u2019m very grateful for it.<\/p>\n

What happened to your financing with\u00a0Boss Level<\/em>, as well the release of\u00a0Stretch\u00a0<\/em>and other instances, you\u2019ve been dealt a few raw deals.\u00a0<\/strong>
\nOh, yeah.<\/p>\n

How do you stay resilient when situations come to a crash?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, I don\u2019t know that you have much of a choice. I\u2019m not really cut out to do anything else unless it\u2019s manual labor or an English teacher. I could probably do that. It\u2019s not as though you were given a lot of choices. Everybody gets tested, and you have to rise to that occasion. Ultimately, that\u2019s the whole process creatively, just overcoming obstacles.<\/p>\n

You don\u2019t really give yourself a choice. It\u2019s simply you got to go and do it. What is the flipside? It\u2019s not something you can ever entertain, and there are producers and filmmakers whose names I won\u2019t mention, who do more, I don\u2019t want to say, \u201cpopulist,\u201d but who\u2019ve figured out those gear changes, and had these kinds of franchises and have this, and have that. I would say this, I want that money, but I don\u2019t want that career. My career I\u2019m very happy with.<\/p>\n

I think my career is pretty cool, and it\u2019s an old-world, in some regards. Now listen, I\u2019d probably be a lot richer if I had gone down that more tried and true kind of studio whathaveyou, but that wasn\u2019t for me. So, it simply is what it is, and I\u2019m fine with it.<\/p>\n

Could you ever see yourself making a hundred, or two hundred dollar movie again?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Honestly, Jack, unless it was something really special that I had a lot of creative control over, and I felt like I can do it, I can say something new at that budget level, it just doesn\u2019t interest me, dude. Nor is shooting a movie that exceeds 40 days in shooting days. I like propulsion. I think under 40 days you can develop a great steed, get in late, and get out early.<\/p>\n

I think that that\u2019s honestly, dude, where we\u2019re going. I don\u2019t know what right now the future of cinemas are. I know that they\u2019re going to come back. There\u2019s no question they\u2019re going to come back. In what configuration, I don\u2019t know. I\u2019m hearing Elon Musk is going to buy AMC, or Regal, or one of these big chains. Is it going to be revamped? I got that Oculus, that Quest, I put that thing on. I go, \u201cWhat the hell do we need movies for? Look at this thing.\u201d<\/p>\n

You\u2019re going to have Disney. You\u2019re going to have Marvel. You\u2019re going to big musicals. I can see the spectacle, but just for posterity, at those levels, that amount of money, is just nuts. It\u2019s nuts to me. It doesn\u2019t interest me. It just doesn\u2019t interest me.<\/p>\n

Do you think movie theaters will have to step up when they return? Like, more consistent quality control over sound and image?<\/strong><\/p>\n

There has to be a reckoning. There has to be a fundamental change in the way that they do things. I don\u2019t think you\u2019re going to have people sitting chockablock as they\u2019ve done in the past. Again, this is a generation pandemic. So, it\u2019s really difficult to foresee a time or place where that\u2019s going to be cool. It\u2019s just not. I don\u2019t know again how we do that. I love going to IPIC, but it\u2019s also 25, 30 bucks a ticket. I don\u2019t want to go to a traditional chain. I\u2019d rather stay at home.<\/p>\n

I got, whatever the hell I got at home, the 85 inch Samsung with the Sonos Arc. I watched Wonder Woman 2<\/em> with my girls. I loved it. I could show my girls, day one. There\u2019s Wonder Woman<\/em>. Fantastic. We had a blast. There\u2019s no. \u201cOh God, I got to get a babysitter. I got to\u2026\u201d You have all these upgrades, all these amazing kinds of upgrades to these home systems. Why wouldn\u2019t you stay at home? Why would you even take the chance? I don\u2019t know, brother. I\u2019m hoping. I really want them to come back, but I don\u2019t think it will look like what it looks like now. I think it\u2019s going to be a minute. I think the hope was that Tenet<\/em>\u00a0would bring people back.<\/p>\n

That was a weird decision.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well listen, man, it\u2019s one of those decisions that\u2019s a corporate decision, and Chris Nolan\u2019s a powerful guy, and a great filmmaker. And so, you roll the dice. I\u2019d rather they were still taking those shots than not take those shots. And listen, I blame the former asshole administration for not really having it together. We should not be sitting in this situation right now. We should be a lot further along. The vaccine should be a lot further along, in terms of distribution. It\u2019s not. I\u2019m not going to get political. I do that enough, but I\u2019m hopeful, brother, but I\u2019m also hopeful for change, some sort of paradigm shift, where we\u2019re seeing it go in a different direction.<\/p>\n

When we talked for El Chicano<\/em>, you were a little coy about the idea of making movies for streaming. Now, do you feel differently?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jack, I think that\u2019s where we\u2019re at right now. That\u2019s where the business is. The differentiation now between Netflix, and Sony, or Paramount, or Universal, or streamers in general<\/a>\u2026 I watch Hulu all the time now. So, I went to Palm Springs<\/em> at home. That was the movie that I wouldn\u2019t have gone to the Laemmle Theaters to see that film. I don\u2019t have that kind of time.<\/p>\n

Did you enjoy it?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I did. I dug it. It\u2019s also given people during the pandemic ease of use, and an easy touchstone for, \u201cOkay, you got kids, you got this, you got that.\u201d It\u2019s difficult to go out. It\u2019s difficult in general, forget about the pandemic. Now, DiCaprio is going to be on Netflix. Everybody\u2019s going on Netflix now. So, what are you going to do? I don\u2019t know the day and date aren\u2019t going to be the same for every movie. For those of you who want to see it in the theater, it\u2019s out there. For those of you who want to see it at home, it\u2019s available there, as well.<\/p>\n

I still think people want the social<\/a> interaction and the communal experience of going to a movie. So, I\u2019ll give them that experience, when things are safe and the smoke clears. But, I don\u2019t think that that should immediately once again negate or nullify the streamer. That\u2019s, \u201cOkay, you\u2019re our second option now.\u201d I think if anything, that that field is absolutely wide open and dead even.<\/p>\n

I think streamers have a tremendous advantage, but in the near term, or whenever we get through the shitstorm we\u2019re in right now, I think that will be something that is taken into consideration. It\u2019s no longer going to be, \u201cNobody wants to go streaming. We don\u2019t want to go streaming.\u201d I think everybody\u2019s like, \u201cGreat, great. Whatever means or methods I can utilize to get my work seen, that\u2019s what I want.\u201d<\/p>\n

The HBO Max news<\/a> blew people\u2019s minds a month or so ago, but now, it seems like the inevitable accepted.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah. Listen, I was going to watch The Little Things<\/em>. I\u2019m like, \u201cThis is awesome.\u201d The new Denzel movie. I\u2019m a huge, huge Denzel fan. I think that here\u2019s the deal too, Jack. You think about the economics, right? Two days after Wonder Woman 2<\/em> came out, Warner Bros. comes out and they\u2019re rushing a Wonder Woman 3<\/em> into production. Do you think that\u2019s accidental, that they didn\u2019t do numbers that were astronomical, that suddenly they\u2019re not paying 45% to an exhibitor, so that\u2019s nearly half their profits they\u2019re holding onto?\u00a0They\u2019re not jetting Gal Gadot and Chris Pine and Patty Jenkins all over the globe to do all these various premieres, red carpets, with a traditional marketing model, which is hundreds of millions of dollars in its own right. You\u2019re not doing any of that.<\/p>\n

So, when you start looking at a profit like that, why would you not do that? I think their subscriber-base quadrupled over one weekend when Wonder Woman 2<\/em> came out. So, why not? Again, it\u2019s not accidental that they green-lit that so quickly. I think that was absolutely by, \u201cWow, this thing made a lot of money. This thing made some dough.\u201d<\/p>\n

Again, brother, I don\u2019t think the genie\u2019s going back in the bottle, not on that stuff. And once HBO Max does it, how long before Sony does it, or Paramount does it. I don\u2019t think the genie\u2019s going back in the bottle, not on that stuff.<\/p>\n

I know you don\u2019t want to get political, but admittedly, I did get a laugh from the line, \u201cFucking liberals.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

Fucking liberals, yeah. I thought it was great. Hang on two seconds, I\u2019m just going to get a Starbucks, man. Don\u2019t mind me, but hang on.<\/p>\n

[A Moment Later]<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ll pour some tequila on that, Jack, it\u2019ll be right as rain, baby. I think that Mel\u2019s line to\u00a0Selina Lo<\/strong>, too, I thought was good. The whole, \u201cIs that a Japanese, Chinese blade\u2026\u201d \u201cLet\u2019s not make this about race.\u201d I just thought it was funny these little fleeting jabs, I thought were great.<\/p>\n

I was going to ask, do you take joy in knowing you\u2019re pushing someone\u2019s buttons?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oh, dude. By the way, if we stop pissing off those people, we\u2019re going to lose the battle altogether. We got to piss off the uptight people. We\u2019re getting a little too sanctimonious and secular in our thought process, and that\u2019s troublesome.<\/p>\n

[Spoiler Alert]<\/strong><\/p>\n

Not long after that scene, Clive\u2019s (Gibson) motivation is revealed. Was that in Chris and Eddie\u2019s original draft, that idea of him wanting to stop 9\/11 and Adolph Hitler?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think that the boys achieved that, and I think I just brought it out. I think that that whole speech about 9\/11, the idea to reverse these horrible things, and that would be justification for basically doing what you\u2019re doing. I think it was something that they had, and I just teased it out to greater detail.<\/p>\n

Did you see, brother, the ending, the real, the ending jar ending, or the one that\u2019s international?<\/p>\n

What\u2019s the difference?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

The international one is in the machine and it ends. The other one, he wakes up back in his bedroom. You got to repeat the loop one more time. He\u2019s dying, he\u2019s dying, he\u2019s dying. That\u2019s the director\u2019s version for better, more or less.<\/p>\n

How did that happen?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

The international people got sick of waiting around, because of the financing on this. I say this now, obviously, it\u2019s a mixed blessing, because we never would\u2019ve been able to make this film with Frank in the lead, in the traditional model with your foreign sales and all this kind of bullshit that the industry is built to hedge its bets on making movies. So, we were able to make the film we wanted to make.<\/p>\n

It was under tremendous duress, but it wouldn\u2019t have happened in the traditional model. So, as much as I bitch and moan about the finances of it, ultimately we got to make that movie. Now, would I ever want to repeat that process again? Absolutely not. I think they just got tired of waiting around, and I don\u2019t blame them, and they wanted to get that version of the movie out there because they had bills to pay, and guarantees to honor, and so on. So, that\u2019s how that happened. The version people see on Hulu is the version that I intend them to see, which is the one that I want, that\u2019s my part of the movie. So, that\u2019s the big difference<\/p>\n

[Spoiler Over]<\/strong><\/p>\n

Frank Grillo is a guy who looks like he could easily fit into a movie with Charles Bronson or Lee Marvin. Does he have a certain old school quality that appeals to you? \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

There\u2019s a certain grittiness and a hard blow quality about Frank that I think is certainly attractive to me in the kind of movies he and I both like, and respond to, and we\u2019d call our favorites. We grew up in the same era, so those were all of our heroes too. Although, Boss Level<\/em> has all that stuff, when he had that time with his son, it gets very serious. And that gear change is difficult.<\/p>\n

I love Bronson, but Bronson was not a nuanced actor. Frank is, and can do those things and yet in turn, then do those very nuanced gear changes and give you something that\u2019s a little more layered and offbeat. I think those are very difficult things to do, but tremendous attributes to have as an actor. So yeah, he\u2019s very much a part of that of the bloodstream of the movies again, that we both responded to, and are part of our youth.<\/p>\n

The movie definitely has a throwback vibe. Did Mel Gibson feel right for it for that reason?\u00a0<\/strong>What does that bring to the table given his experience as a director?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oh, dude, you\u2019re talking about a guy that won an Oscar in directing. He was so generous, so lovely, and so supportive, and by the way, worked his ass off. He really worked hard, man. So, it was great to have a guy who\u2019s world-class in that way, and a world-class filmmaker is his own right. To be there, and also just to tell these tremendous stories about Apocalypto<\/em> and Braveheart<\/em>, and talking about George Miller in Road Warrior<\/em> and Mad Max<\/em>, I could just sit there and talk to him all day about that stuff. He was so generous with his time, and with his energy and everything. He was great, man. He was a joy to direct, and we\u2019ve become good friends. I really enjoyed my time with him.<\/p>\n

I have to ask since he is a polarizing\u00a0actor, do you have to consider how some audiences perceive him in a role or movie?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Listen, I believe in redemption. I believe in forgiveness. I believe in all these things. I think that the guy has done nothing but good things in the last ten years. I think if we\u2019re going to hold on to these types of things, we can\u2019t really preach this idea of truly forgiving someone. Listen, I would want that for anyone, no matter the situation.<\/p>\n

I thought that Mel was very upfront with me about everything, and was very contrite and solemn. I just thought, \u201cOkay, what do you want from this guy? What do you want, blood? What do expect him to do?\u201d, other than what he\u2019s done, which is leading an exemplary life. He\u2019s put that business behind him. Again, \u201cThose without sin, cast the first stone.\u201d<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll leave it at Mel was a joy. We\u2019re either going to embrace this notion of redemption and forgiveness, or we\u2019re going to be hypocritical. American society, in particular, excels at the latter. So, let\u2019s knock that shit off, and really give people their due, and their second chance, and their redemptive gesture.<\/p>\n

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