{"id":508370,"date":"2022-11-10T00:59:53","date_gmt":"2022-11-09T21:59:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/andor-creator-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-raels-future-and-being-surprised-by-certain-easter-eggs\/"},"modified":"2022-11-10T00:59:53","modified_gmt":"2022-11-09T21:59:53","slug":"andor-creator-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-raels-future-and-being-surprised-by-certain-easter-eggs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/andor-creator-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-raels-future-and-being-surprised-by-certain-easter-eggs\/","title":{"rendered":"#\u2018Andor\u2019 Creator Tony Gilroy Talks Luthen Rael\u2019s Future and Being Surprised by Certain Easter Eggs"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_85 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a34b9ab3c014\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a34b9ab3c014\" checked aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/andor-creator-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-raels-future-and-being-surprised-by-certain-easter-eggs\/#%E2%80%98Andor_Creator_Tony_Gilroy_Talks_Luthen_Raels_Future_and_Being_Surprised_by_Certain_Easter_Eggs\" >\u2018Andor\u2019 Creator Tony Gilroy Talks Luthen Rael\u2019s Future and Being Surprised by Certain Easter Eggs<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h1><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%E2%80%98Andor_Creator_Tony_Gilroy_Talks_Luthen_Raels_Future_and_Being_Surprised_by_Certain_Easter_Eggs\"><\/span>\u2018Andor\u2019 Creator Tony Gilroy Talks Luthen Rael\u2019s Future and Being Surprised by Certain Easter Eggs<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>[This story contains spoilers\u00a0for <em>Andor <\/em>episode ten, \u201cOne Way Out.\u201d]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    On the heels of <em>Andor<\/em>\u2019s latest showstopper of an episode, creator Tony Gilroy wants to preview what lies ahead for Stellan Skarsgard\u2019s fan-favorite character Luthen Rael in season one and beyond.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    In episode eight, \u201cNarkina 5,\u201d Luthen met with Saw Gerrera (Forest Whitaker) in an effort to convince the Partisan leader to form an alliance with Anto Kreegyr, the point man for another Rebel faction known as the Separatists. But Saw balked at the idea of joining forces despite Kreegyr having intel that could potentially destroy Spellhaus, an Imperial Power Station.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    However, Luthen\u2019s plan quickly changed in episode ten (\u201cOne Way Out\u201d) as his ISB mole, Lonni (Robert Emms), informed him that the ISB captured one of Kreegyr\u2019s Rebel pilots and uncovered his plan to raid Spellhaus. As a result, Luthen told Lonni that he\u2019d sacrifice Kreegyr to protect his secret Rebel spy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    \u201c[Luthen is] a chess player, man. He\u2019s sacrificing a castle to protect his queen. So I don\u2019t think the Kreegyr story is over yet,\u201d Gilroy tells <em>The Hollywood Reporter<\/em>. \u201cLuthen is in a very tough spot, and his position over the next five years is only going to get more complicated. You\u2019re seeing the beginning of those issues in episode ten. That\u2019s also one of the major food groups that we\u2019ll be dealing with in the second season.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Gilroy told <em>THR<\/em> previously that he urged his <em>Andor<\/em> collaborators to put aside their <em>Star Wars<\/em> reverence in order to achieve verisimilitude, and that also meant resisting the franchise\u2019s tendency to foreground Easter eggs. However, this edict didn\u2019t stop his art department from tucking away a few notable items, much to the surprise of Gilroy.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    \u201cEvery now and then, they sneak shit in there that even I didn\u2019t know,\u201d Gilroy says. \u201cI was reading online about the antiquities in Luthen\u2019s gallery, and the provenance of some of those antiquities was <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/news\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"2\" title=\"News\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">news<\/a> to me. So it was fantastic that the art department snuck those things in there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    In a recent conversation with <em>THR<\/em>, Gilroy also addresses the minimal number of alien characters on the show, as well as the <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/watch-movies-tv-seriess\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"8\" title=\"Watch Movies &amp; TV Series\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">series<\/a>\u2019 lack of deleted scenes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Well, Tony, I loved this show through four episodes, but now, after ten episodes, are you absolutely certain that you don\u2019t want to revert to the original five-season plan?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) I would think that you\u2019d have some pity and look at what we\u2019re doing and go, \u201cYou physically couldn\u2019t do it.\u201d I mean, everyone can see how much we had to pour into this, and we\u2019re not even at the end yet. We have a couple more to go, and so it would be insane to do that to yourself. We\u2019d just be too old.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Pardon my gluttony. Anyway, you\u2019ve received rave reviews every step of the way, so what\u2019s the temperature right now at Lucasfilm? Are Kathy Kennedy and co. over the moon?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I think so, yeah. Everybody\u2019s really [h<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app<\/a>y]. I\u2019ve never had reviews or affirmation like this in my life, for anything. And the passion of the people who\u2019ve been following along is just overwhelming, man. I don\u2019t know what else to say. It\u2019s humbling. So yeah, I think everybody\u2019s happy with that. Everybody\u2019s pleased that [<em>House of the Dragon<\/em>] and [<em>Rings of Power<\/em>] are now out of the way, and I think a lot of people have been waiting for someone to tell them that it\u2019s okay to watch [<em>Andor<\/em>] now or whatever. So the plan is that we\u2019ll have a pretty long tail as we go, and everybody seems pretty pleased, unless you know something I don\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>In hindsight, do you wish they had avoided <\/strong><strong><em>Dragon<\/em><\/strong><strong> and <\/strong><strong><em>Rings<\/em><\/strong><strong> altogether?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    It\u2019s interesting because we changed our original date [from Aug. 31 to Sep. 21]. We were going to come out right with them, but it really wasn\u2019t on our radar. I\u2019m not sure that streaming dating has reached the level of military articulation that movie releasing has. It\u2019s weird. I know that massive chess pieces of money are moving around the table on these shows, but a lot of people are doing things for the first time. I mean, I\u2019m doing a second round of interviews on something that I\u2019ve made. That\u2019s a new thing. How do we do this? All this is new. \u201cOh my God, we have to have PR that keeps rolling for five months? We have to do advertising for five months?\u201d Everybody\u2019s doing new shit, but I\u2019m not sure everybody was really on point about when that was going to happen. So it was good that we moved later.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>The one odd nitpick that I\u2019ve seen has to do with the number of aliens, which is funny since episode ten has a bunch of them in the background. [Director] <\/strong><strong>Toby Haynes<\/strong><strong> actually told me that you wanted that sort of thing to be in the fabric of the series, not the foreground. So how would you describe your rationale?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    There\u2019s already so much politics in the show to begin with, and we\u2019re trying to tell an adventure story, really. So adding strong alien characters means that all of a sudden, there\u2019s a whole bunch of new issues that we have to deal with that I don\u2019t really understand that well or I just couldn\u2019t think of a way to bake them into what we\u2019re doing. You\u2019ll see more as we go along, but it\u2019s a legit question and one we\u2019ll be answering as we go along. There is a more human-centric side of the story and the politics of it. There\u2019s certainly no aliens working for the Empire, so that kind of tips it one way, automatically.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Sensibility wise, was there any calculus to why [writer] Dan Gilroy got the heist arc and [writer] Beau Willimon got the prison break arc?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Well, Danny and I came in with the same sort of skill set; Beau had a different skill set. Beau is the guy who really beat the shit out of us in terms of the plotting and the whiteboard. We really only did the writers\u2019 room for five or six days, but Beau hadn\u2019t really done any action before. So maybe that had something to do with it. Danny and I have done a lot of stuff like that so it was familiar territory, but it could have easily gone the other way.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Did they help you crack season two?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Yeah, we did the same thing that we did last time. We just did a slightly longer version. I think we did seven days [in the writers\u2019 room], and we brought in another writer as well. We brought in a guy named Tom Bissell, who\u2019s a really strong writer and has a really interesting resume [<em>The Mosquito Coast <\/em>(2021), Author of <em>The Disaster Artist<\/em>]. He also has a very powerful interest in <em>Star Wars<\/em>, and he\u2019s almost a nerd <em>Star<\/em> <em>Wars<\/em> fan. And as you know, we\u2019re coming into <em>Rogue<\/em>, so we\u2019re covering four years [in season two]. And a lot of it is canonical, so it was really helpful to have a stronger canonical voice in the room as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Episode six was quite an achievement. Was that the toughest edit in season one? Was [co-editor] John Gilroy beside himself on that one?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Six was very hard to put together, so I would say yeah. I\u2019m trying to think of where Johnny and I had the most arguments. (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) Yeah, six was tough. Twelve was very, very tough, but in a fun way. It\u2019s just a very big meal. It\u2019s very abundant and it has a lot of things to deal with. But yeah, six was tough. A lot more editorial went into six than most episodes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:100%; max-width:1000px;\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((500\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Andor-Denise-Gough-Still-Publicity-EMBED-2022.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"Supervisor\u00a0Dedra Meero\u00a0(Denise Gough) in Lucasfilm's ANDOR\" srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(min-width: 87.5rem) 1000px, (min-width: 78.75rem) 681px, (min-width: 48rem) 450px, (max-width: 48rem) 250px\" height=\"500\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"\"\/><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\"><span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">ISB Supervisor\u00a0Dedra Meero\u00a0(Denise Gough) in <em>Andor<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Courtesy of Lucasfilm<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>The irony of this next question is that I\u2019m currently sitting in a Star <\/strong><strong><em>Wars<\/em><\/strong><strong> Imperial-themed chair \u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    (<em>Laughs<\/em>.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>But I\u2019m stunned by how much I enjoy watching ISB Supervisor Dedra Meero (<\/strong><strong>Denise Gough<\/strong><strong>). So why did you want to put the audience in the shoes of a fascist?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Well, I want to be in everybody\u2019s shoes. The whole gig is empathy. I mean, that\u2019s what the gig is. If you\u2019re going to do it well, you\u2019ve got to be with everybody. I can\u2019t imagine writing a character where I couldn\u2019t get behind their point of view for the moment I was with them. When we wrote her and built her out, we had the exact same experience that the audience is having. We were like, \u201cOh my God, she\u2019s this woman who\u2019s trapped in this thing, and there\u2019s only one other woman who works there. She\u2019s also working harder than everybody else, and she\u2019s getting no credit. She\u2019s a freaking underdog. We\u2019re rooting for her. How do we make her strong?\u201d And then we got to Ferrix, and we\u2019re like, \u201cOh my God, look at her. What is she doing?\u201d There has to be another term for walking in someone\u2019s shoes. You don\u2019t have to endorse somebody\u2019s thinking, philosophy, sadism or whatever, but you\u2019ve got to get in there and be with them if you really want to have a strong character.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:100%; max-width:1000px;\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((419\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/PGM-FF-004866-copy.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"Tony Gilroy Andor\" srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(min-width: 87.5rem) 1000px, (min-width: 78.75rem) 681px, (min-width: 48rem) 450px, (max-width: 48rem) 250px\" height=\"419\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"\"\/><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\"><span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Kyle Soller and Denise Gough in <em>Andor<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Disney+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Syril Karn (Kyle Soller) remains utterly fascinating as well, and during your first round of press, I heard you push back on someone who called him a fascist through four episodes. So how do you see him at this point in his arc, having basically confessed his love to Dedra?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Well, I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s confessed love to her yet, or if he will, but he\u2019s not a fascist. He\u2019s unformed, really. He obviously likes rules. He likes order. We see the chaotically emotional landscape that he has been brought up in, and the simplicity of things being the way they are supposed to be and people doing their jobs is what keeps him sane. Fighting chaos is what keeps him sane, and that energy and that motivation is, ideologically, up for grabs. I don\u2019t think Dedra\u2019s ideology is up for grabs. I obviously don\u2019t think the ISB\u2019s is either, but there\u2019s something unformed about Syril. It\u2019s just as easy to see him going in a number of directions. So his issues are much more personal at this point; they\u2019re more behavioral and psychological than they are ideological.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>People continue to speculate about what they\u2019re building on Narkina 5, and until I spoke with <\/strong><strong>Andy Serkis<\/strong><strong> recently, I thought the answer didn\u2019t really matter. So what can you say about those building blocks?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    They\u2019re building season two. (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) It\u2019s the spine of season two. I\u2019ve heard all kinds of things; it\u2019s great. All of the material that the Empire has, I look at everything like, \u201cEconomically, how does this work? Who built Scarif? How do you build that? How do you build Eadu? How do you build The Death Star and this armada of ships?\u201d There\u2019s a lot of things that need to be built, and there\u2019s an incredible amount of material. So, to me, what they\u2019re building is not as important as the scale of it. When you go to the Imperial Bureau of Standards where Syril works, you go, \u201cOh my God,\u201d and he\u2019s just working at the Fuel Purity desk. But that\u2019s what it takes to run this Empire. So the scale of it is really what we\u2019re trying to suggest here.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:100%; max-width:1000px;\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((419\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/PGM-FF-004957-copy.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"Tony Gilroy Andor\" srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(min-width: 87.5rem) 1000px, (min-width: 78.75rem) 681px, (min-width: 48rem) 450px, (max-width: 48rem) 250px\" height=\"419\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"\"\/><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\"><span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Narkina 5 in <em>Andor<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Disney+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>For the look and feel of Narkina 5, was [production designer] Luke Hull actually inspired by <\/strong><strong><em>THX 1138<\/em><\/strong><strong> as so many have theorized?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    That\u2019s fascinating because when we got into the room, I knew that Cassian goes to prison. But everyone was like, \u201cOh my God, a fucking prison. How do you do anything new?\u201d Because we were not going to do what anybody had done before. We were just absolutely adamant about that. That\u2019s the rule. So I honestly don\u2019t know who said electric floors first in the flurry of all the shit happening, but someone said electric floors. And all of a sudden, we were like, \u201cOh my God, what does that mean?\u201d And so we spent the whole day building the prison, and Luke was there with us, building the prison.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    We got so crazy about this stuff. A lot of people think the prison is just white, but there\u2019s a billion kinds of white. When we were doing the ISB conference room, we also had to figure out our whites and how much gray was in it. But I think there were pictures up from <em>THX 1138<\/em>. I know we had pictures up from <em>The<\/em> <em>Conformist<\/em>, so I\u2019m sure there were pictures up from <em>THX<\/em>, of those whites. So it\u2019s a happy convergence, and it\u2019s really pleasing and cool that it\u2019s George Lucas\u2019 first movie. But we definitely went back and looked at it afterwards, and were like, \u201cOh my God, look at those whites.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:100%; max-width:1000px;\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((419\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/PGM-FF-005184-copy.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"Tony Gilroy Andor\" srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(min-width: 87.5rem) 1000px, (min-width: 78.75rem) 681px, (min-width: 48rem) 450px, (max-width: 48rem) 250px\" height=\"419\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"\"\/><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\"><span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Andy Serkis as Kino Loy in <em>Andor<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Disney+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>\u201cI can\u2019t swim\u201d is such a heroically tragic moment since Kino (Andy Serkis) led his fellow prisoners to freedom knowing full well that he wasn\u2019t going to make it out. Do you presume Kino was executed shortly thereafter?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I don\u2019t know. He\u2019s not dead. Is he dead? I don\u2019t see him dying [in episode ten].\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Cassian (<\/strong><strong>Diego Luna<\/strong><strong>) is on the run with Melshi (Duncan Pow), who was also in <em>Rogue One<\/em>. Did the idea for Melshi come from just rewatching <em>Rogue <\/em>and hand picking certain deep cuts that you could reintroduce on <em>Andor<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I love the character. Duncan Pow, who plays Melshi, was a great hang on <em>Rogue<\/em>, and I just really liked him. So I was just like, \u201cHow can we get him back in?\u201d There will be some other things along the way that we\u2019ll do, but the prison just seemed like a great place to show where and how they meet.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>I honestly prefer that level of detail, as opposed to someone like Darth Vader.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Oh, good! That\u2019s what we\u2019re excavating. That\u2019s where we\u2019re at.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:100%; max-width:1000px;\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((419\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>                        <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/PGM-FF-005228-copy.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"Tony Gilroy Andor\" srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"(min-width: 87.5rem) 1000px, (min-width: 78.75rem) 681px, (min-width: 48rem) 450px, (max-width: 48rem) 250px\" height=\"419\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"\"\/><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\"><span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Stellan Skarsgard\u2019s Luthen Rael in <em>Andor<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>                                    <cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Disney+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>In episode eight, Luthen (Stellan Skarsgard) wanted Saw (Forest Whitaker) to meet with Sepratist leader Anto Kreegyr, but now he\u2019s willing to sacrifice Kreegyr to protect Lonni (Robert Emms), his ISB mole. So where\u2019s Luthen\u2019s head at right now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    So you saw his big speech.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>I sure did! Incredible stuff.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Well, he\u2019s a chess player, man. He\u2019s sacrificing a castle to protect his queen. So I don\u2019t think the Kreegyr story is over yet. Luthen is in a very tough spot, and his position over the next five years is only going to get more complicated, because how do you build this network? Earlier on, he says that he\u2019s been building it for 10 or 12 years, but all of a sudden, with Aldhani, they\u2019re going loud. All of a sudden, they\u2019re going to expose themselves. And in a classic political sense, he\u2019s an accelerationist. He believes in the fact that you have to make it hurt really bad in order to bring people to change.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Once you make that announcement [via the Aldhani heist in episode six], once you do that, you\u2019re no longer in charge of the thing that you\u2019ve put out there. So how do you juggle your paranoia? How do you maintain your secrecy? How do you go big and stay small and tight? How do you expand while expansion makes you more vulnerable? Those are going to be issues. You\u2019re seeing the beginning of those issues in episode ten and in this tranche. That\u2019s also one of the major food groups that we\u2019ll be dealing with in the second season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Provoking the Empire into making things worse is quite a recruitment tool.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Yeah, it\u2019s called accelerationism. I think that\u2019s the dialectical term. It covers all sides of the political spectrum. It could be left, right; it could be anywhere. But it\u2019s the idea of, \u201cI can\u2019t get people to do something unless they really feel it.\u201d And that\u2019s a classic revolutionary leadership move all the way through. I mean, you could go back 2000 years and find people that were doing that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Vel (Faye Marsay) being Mon Mothma\u2019s (<\/strong><strong>Genevieve O\u2019Reilly<\/strong><strong>) cousin, did you guys have to check canon for anything contradictory?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    The canon on Mon is not as extensive as you would think. She\u2019s from Chandrila. She became a Senator when she was 16. We know when she leaves the Senate; that\u2019s canonically on our calendar. But her family life was up for grabs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>We <\/strong><strong>talked<\/strong><strong> before about how you weren\u2019t a <em>Star<\/em> <em>Wars<\/em> zealot going into <em>Rogue<\/em>, and prior to <em>Andor<\/em>, I presume Dan and Beau weren\u2019t either. So once you\u2019d write your scripts, would a Lucasfilm brain sprinkle in the technical <em>Star<\/em> <em>Wars<\/em> jargon after the fact?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    No, but we have Pablo Hidalgo. He\u2019s sort of the curia of the Vatican up there at Lucasfilm. He\u2019s the final voice, but we have a lot of people on the show. Mohen Leo, our visual effects supervisor who was on <em>Rogue<\/em> as well, is a huge part of our show and a really important feature on our show. Mohen and his team know <em>everything<\/em>. We have a lot of people around the show that are really deep. So if we have a question, we ask it, but it\u2019s kind of an organic system, really. Every now and then, they sneak shit in there that even I didn\u2019t know. I was reading online about the antiquities in Luthen\u2019s gallery, and the provenance of some of those antiquities was news to me. (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) So it was fantastic that the art department snuck those things in there, but by and large, it\u2019s a collaborative, organic, rolling process.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Your job is filled with plenty of compromises, but what turned out to be the most beneficial one along the way?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Aldhani was originally conceived to have six or seven-thousand people in the valley, but with Covid, my God, you can\u2019t put that many extras together. You can\u2019t get them up the hill, you can\u2019t put them in vans, you can\u2019t do any of those things. Beyond an economic hardship, it was just a physically impossible thing to do. So there\u2019s a problem. The whole thing is written one way. It\u2019s a huge deal. So you think, \u201cOh my God, it\u2019s all ruined. It\u2019s all for shit.\u201d But what comes out of it is something even better because the answer is actually sadder and more important. It\u2019s just the dead-enders. It\u2019s just the end of the line [for the Dhanis]. It\u2019s a culture that\u2019s being wound down, and then that becomes the dominant thing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    And then, oh my God, that monologue at the top comes out of that, and the whole concept of the engineer comes out of that and a whole new approach to the shabbiness and shittiness of it. So all of a sudden, it\u2019s more real, it\u2019s better, and I\u2019m very pleased with how that turned out. Most of the limitations that we\u2019ve been presented with are entirely budgetary. We don\u2019t really get any pushback on the show itself, but budgetarily, we have some limitations. And I would say that eight times out of 10, it leads to an improvement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Will you share any deleted scenes with us at some point?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    There\u2019s one or two small sequences that we shot but didn\u2019t use. Other than that, we ate the entire cow. The hooves, the horns \u2026 We don\u2019t have any waste. We\u2019re well funded, but we\u2019re not overfunded. We\u2019re not one of these shows with an unlimited budget. There are some shows out there that have unlimited budgets. They don\u2019t care. But we\u2019re not on that. We have a very, very tight hold on what we do, so we don\u2019t have anything that we didn\u2019t use. There\u2019s a couple things we retasked and moved around, and there\u2019s one or two things that we reshot along the way because we had a chance to do them better. But no, it\u2019s not that kind of show. We can\u2019t afford it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>You rewrote your first block of episodes when Covid hit. What was the biggest change?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I was so naive, and everything happened so quickly. It was all so tentative. \u201cAre we really doing this? Can we really get the money?\u201d So we just kept tiptoeing forward for seven months or something like that. And I was just at the point where I was prepping and starting to cast, but I didn\u2019t really know what level we were going to have to take this. In the end, the scripts have to be absolutely perfect. We needed 600 pages, and we just didn\u2019t know. Beau kind of knew from <em>House of Cards<\/em>, but the requirements are a little bit different. All the design elements and the budgetary elements. It was really just a matter of, \u201cOh my God, if we\u2019re really going to make this, every single moment of it has to be dug out.\u201d And the realization of that just takes you back [to the keyboard]. (<em>Gilroy laughs and holds up his keyboard<\/em>.) This is where I\u2019m at today, too. You just have to get it perfect, and I was blithely surfing, thinking that it would take care of itself or that it would be okay or that I could handle it. But I didn\u2019t realize what I was up against, so Covid really saved the show. (<em>Laughs<\/em>.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Any of the <\/strong><strong><em>Rogue <\/em><\/strong><strong>characters would\u2019ve made for an interesting prequel, but ignoring the fact that there was already an <\/strong><strong><em>Andor<\/em><\/strong><strong> show in development, is Cassian the character you would have gravitated towards anyway for a prequel?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I guess the Jyn Erso [Felicity Jones] show would be pretty fascinating, too. My attitude is you could do anybody. I mean, the Bodhi Rook [Riz Ahmed] domestic drama \u2026 Everything can be interesting if you get into it. If you dig down, it\u2019s all interesting. Whose life isn\u2019t, really? Cassian\u2019s life is just a little bit juicier because he\u2019s going to end up on that beach and he\u2019s going to give it all away, consciously.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>The conversation around prequel storytelling has always frustrated me. For example, some people have floated the fallacy to you that the show has no stakes because we already saw Cassian\u2019s demise in <em>Rogue<\/em>. However, you\u2019ve been rejecting that notion by saying that our own lives still have stakes even though we know we\u2019re going to die.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Exactly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>So thank you for that.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I\u2019m very pleased with that. That came out of a conversation we had at dinner one night. I was like, \u201cI\u2019m using that tomorrow.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Toby told me that Maarva\u2019s (<\/strong><strong>Fiona Shaw<\/strong><strong>) interior set was so cold on the day that they just rolled with her breath being visible, but story wise, why does she insist on sitting in the cold? Cassian and Brasso both commented on it.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    She\u2019s a tough old bird, man. That\u2019s who she is. It actually fits perfectly. She\u2019s like, \u201cI turn my thermostat on only when it only gets below so and so.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>I saved my worst question for last. It\u2019s actually more of a coordinating conjunction joke, if such a thing exists.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Let\u2019s go for it!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>If the name Andor exists in the <\/strong><strong><em>Star Wars<\/em><\/strong><strong> galaxy, does that mean the name Butyet also exists?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) You know what, let\u2019s save that question. I will give you the answer for that when we do this interview for part two of season two. We\u2019ll both have that much time to think about it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>***<\/strong><br \/>Andor <em>is now streaming on Disney+. 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