{"id":561967,"date":"2023-03-10T16:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-03-10T13:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/how-hbos-rain-dogs-changes-the-portrayal-of-the-working-class\/"},"modified":"2023-03-10T16:00:00","modified_gmt":"2023-03-10T13:00:00","slug":"how-hbos-rain-dogs-changes-the-portrayal-of-the-working-class","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/how-hbos-rain-dogs-changes-the-portrayal-of-the-working-class\/","title":{"rendered":"#How HBO\u2019s \u2018Rain Dogs\u2019 Changes the Portrayal of the Working Class"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_85 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a409d0ab3be6\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a409d0ab3be6\" checked aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-1'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/how-hbos-rain-dogs-changes-the-portrayal-of-the-working-class\/#How_HBOs_%E2%80%98Rain_Dogs_Changes_the_Portrayal_of_the_Working_Class\" >How HBO\u2019s \u2018Rain Dogs\u2019 Changes the Portrayal of the Working Class<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h1><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"How_HBOs_%E2%80%98Rain_Dogs_Changes_the_Portrayal_of_the_Working_Class\"><\/span>How HBO\u2019s \u2018Rain Dogs\u2019 Changes the Portrayal of the Working Class<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h1>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Welcome to the 205th episode of\u00a0<em>TV\u2019s Top 5<\/em>,<em>\u00a0The Hollywood Reporter<\/em>\u2019s TV podcast.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Every week, hosts\u00a0<a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Snoodit\">Lesley Goldberg<\/a>\u00a0(West Coast TV editor) and\u00a0<a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/thefienprint\">Daniel Fienberg<\/a>\u00a0(chief TV critic) break down the latest TV <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/news\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"2\" title=\"News\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">news<\/a> with context from the business and critical sides, welcome showrunners, executives and other guests, and provide a critical guide of what to watch (or skip, as the case may be).<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    This week, we\u2019re joined by Cash Carraway, the creator of HBO\u2019s dark comedy <em>Rain Dogs<\/em>, for an interview about the working-class <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/watch-movies-tv-seriess\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"8\" title=\"Watch Movies &amp; TV Series\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">series<\/a> that is inspired by her life and memoir.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Other topics during this week\u2019s\u00a0<em>TV\u2019s Top 5\u00a0<\/em>include headlines of the week (featuring Mike Schur, <em>Barry, <\/em>Batman, <em>The Sopranos <\/em>creator David Chase and \u2026 Hot Wheels), Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio\u2019s troubled <em>Devil in the White City <\/em>and a season in review discussion about Peacock\u2019s <em>Poker Face. <\/em>Plus, Dan reviews <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">App<\/a>le\u2019s <em>Ted Lasso, <\/em>Paramount+\u2019s <em>School Spirits <\/em>and Hulu\/Onyx Collective\u2019s <em>UnPrisoned <\/em>in the Critic\u2019s Corner segment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    But first, read on for a condensed portion of our interview with Carraway.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>It was initially announced in 2021 that Daisy May Cooper was going to star in a drama adaptation of your memoir <em>Skint Estate<\/em> and that it was even going to be called <em>Cash Carraway<\/em>. How did that autobiographical drama evolve into a comedy that in the press notes you emphasize isn\u2019t autobiographical?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    As I was writing it, just before that BBC announcement, I said I didn\u2019t want to do this; it was so exposing. I don\u2019t dislike the memoir but I dislike the fact that it was it my only route into making money from writing; I was only ever allowed to write about myself. So I said it was too exposing and asked if there was any way I could write another show that tells a story about people who live in that world. But I didn\u2019t want to tell my story. I went and wrote two scripts \u2014 the first two episodes \u2014 and thankfully, HBO said, \u201cOK.\u201d And Daisy was still on board as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Once you decided that this wouldn\u2019t be a straightforward adaptation, how did you decide which autobiographical elements you still wanted to include here?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    There\u2019s lots of me in there. But I\u2019m not Costello (Cooper) and Iris (Fleur Tashjian) isn\u2019t my daughter. With the book, there wasn\u2019t much of a story going on; it\u2019s a load of thoughts that I had about my predicament, so I could start from scratch really. I could take Costello to places that I could never go personally.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" id=\"pmc-protected-embed-2\" class=\"pmc-protected-embed\" width=\"100%\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/playlist.megaphone.fm\/?e=PMC3189886945\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"true\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>When did you find the structure that would actually make this a series?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I was winging it in many ways. The first few episodes were written and ready to go and then we started shooting. I was writing it as we were going along. That helped with the messy nature of it and the chaotic experiences that these characters had because I was making them up on the fly. So, if it seems unstructured, that\u2019s why.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>When you\u2019re adapting a memoir, people are more tentative to tell you how you want to tell your story. But if you\u2019re no longer telling your story, it gives people license to give more notes. What kind of notes were you getting?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    Because they wanted an authentic show about authentic working-class people, I did have that freedom. Television in the U.K. certainly is made often by very upper-class people. I knew who these characters were. I\u2019ve lived this life; I\u2019ve lived among these people. I know how they would react, how they would talk and the kind of things they would get up to. That\u2019s why I was allowed to do it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Did you find yourself more frequently sanitizing the things from your real life or making things worse for dramatic effect?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    The opening of the show, for example, that\u2019s not ever something that\u2019s happened to me \u2014 I\u2019ve never lived in pervert\u2019s cupboard. There\u2019s not many things that Costello does that I\u2019ve actually done. But I have thought about them. I\u2019ve worked in some of the jobs that she has \u2014 I\u2019ve worked at a peep show. I\u2019d done some of the things that she\u2019s done and lived in some of the places she had lived. But I\u2019ve never gone to the extremes that she has.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Where did the show\u2019s title come from?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I love <a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rain_Dogs\">Tom Waits<\/a>. I don\u2019t massively love the album <em>Rain Dogs<\/em> actually; I\u2019m more of a <em><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Closing_Time_(album)\">Closing Time<\/a><\/em>-type of person. But yeah, just the image that it evokes. Rain dogs, drenched in the door, nowhere to go. The original title I was going to call it was <em><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/All_Shook_Down\">All Shook Down<\/a><\/em>, which is a Replacements album, just because of the cover with these two stray dogs. But <em>Rain Dogs <\/em>seemed like a better title. \u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>At what point did HBO become involved and what sort of notes did they have?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    They were always talking about comedy and making it funnier. The BBC wanted more drama and to feel these people\u2019s pain more. It was so incredibly conflicting. The humor is lost in translation but the pathos is there. I had to explain a lot about how poverty works.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>What kind of things did you have to explain to people about how poverty works?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    It was more about how the British working-class are. For example, on the day Costello gets evicted, I had to explain that in working-class housing, everyone knows your business.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Is there more of a thirst for a depiction of working-class families in the U.K.? Because that happened here a few years ago with <em>Roseanne, <\/em>with the revival\u2019s success leading to more stories about working-class Americans.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    There\u2019s very few shows like that here as well. When we tend to see working-class people on TV in the U.K. I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019m telling a story of poverty. I feel like I\u2019m telling a story about a working-class woman who is trying to be something and she just happens to be in this difficult situation when we first meet her. I\u2019m keen to avoid all those tropes. When we see people in poverty, we always have to show this immense pain. And Costello doesn\u2019t show that pain. At the beginning, she really holds it back as she tries to remain strong and stand on her own two feet. But it becomes impossible for her to do that. Normally, when we see working-class characters in this country, they do tend to be in great need. And their stories are usually told through the eyes of a middle-class writer. I think you get a very different experience of a working-class family when it\u2019s written by someone who feels sorry for them. I don\u2019t feel sorry for the working class because I am working class and I\u2019ve always been part of that world. So the way that I\u2019m writing about the working class is with joy and spirit, I hope.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>What were the challenges of making these characters, especially Selby (Jack Farthing) and Costello, as messy as you wanted them to be without making them so messy that they run the risk of alienating viewers?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    There was more physical violence between them and them attacking other people together in the original early drafts. It would have really alienated people. When you do a first draft or a second draft, you go big, don\u2019t you? You throw everything into it. It\u2019s a melodramatic and a chaotic world that they inhabit. But it was just too much. The notes from HBO and the BBC helped to do that. We want to see these characters be immoral and messy as they navigate their world, but we need to relate to them as well. We need to feel attracted to them and want to follow them on that journey.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>With the Selby-Costello relationship, this show swings the pendulum as to whether the relationship between them is toxic or nurturing. That\u2019s obviously the question you\u2019re supposed to be asking throughout. How did your own sympathies or perspective shift as you brought these characters together and tore them apart?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    I love those characters so much. They\u2019re toxic and even more toxic together. But they do love each other. And when that love is genuine, that sort of toxicity, elevates it away. I think their relationship is incredibly romantic. Many people would say it\u2019s disgusting; they\u2019re violent to each other, they should get away from each other. But they love their family and they want to bring it together. They want to be normal \u2014 or they try their hardest \u2014 and they just can\u2019t. It felt very real because real love is messy. You only ever say the most horrific, disgusting things to the people that you truly love. It doesn\u2019t feel like a like a typical abusive relationship. I certainly didn\u2019t want to go down the route. Making Selby been a full-on villain would have been so easy to do. But it would have been so boring.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <strong>Is <em>Rain Dogs <\/em>a world you\u2019re ready to revisit? Is this an ongoing show or is it more closed-ended?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    When I conceived it in my mind, it is a trilogy. I know where we get to at the end of that trilogy. I have an idea of the bits in between. But I don\u2019t want to start writing it until we know for sure. But yes, I could stay with these characters. It feels to me like we\u2019re only just getting started.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n    <em>Listen to the full interview with Carroway for more on all things <\/em>Rain Dogs. <em>Be sure to\u00a0<a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/plinkhq.com\/i\/1438063915?to=page\">subscribe<\/a>\u00a0to\u00a0<\/em>TV\u2019s Top 5<em>\u00a0to never miss an episode. (Reviews welcome!) 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