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\n Kristin Gore still isn\u2019t exactly sure why her agents slipped her a copy of Zac Bissonnette\u2019s 2015 book, The Great Beanie Baby Bubble<\/em>. She was not party to the mid-\u201990s collecting craze. In fact, she barely recalls it. But peppered throughout the book\u2019s 260 pages, which document how a line of $5 stuffed animals briefly commanded resale prices as high as six figures, is a topic that she\u2019s quite familiar with: uncredited work.<\/p>\n

\n \u201cThematically, it resonated with me,\u201d says Gore, a former Saturday Night Live<\/em> scribe turned screenwriter, whose biggest writing gigs are absent from her IMDb profile. \u201cBut I was much more interested in \u2014 and felt a responsibility to \u2014 the universal story of people who just get screwed by systems.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n The daughter of former Vice President Al Gore and advocate and activist Tipper Gore, she previously contributed to the screenplays for Bennett Miller\u2019s Moneyball<\/em> and Foxcatcher<\/em> and, perhaps most notably, Spike Jonze\u2019s Oscar-winning script<\/a> for AI romantic drama Her<\/em>. But save an associate producer title on Foxcatcher<\/em>, her name is not officially attached to these films. The reasons vary from project to project. \u201cI grew up feeling like it was my duty to help things larger than myself succeed, and that ended up dovetailing perfectly in the creative world,\u201d she says, nodding to the family business of public service. \u201cI was genuinely so happy to be helping others make exciting things. Later, I realized, \u2018Oh, no one knows that I did that \u2026 and that seems to matter.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n

\n Gore\u2019s name is all over The Beanie Bubble<\/em>, however. She adapted the screenplay from Bissonnette\u2019s book and co-directed the feature with her husband, composer and OK Go frontman Damian Kulash. The script pays more attention to the three women (played by Elizabeth Banks, Sarah Snook and Geraldine Viswanathan) who were quietly pivotal to Beanie Babies\u2019 wild success than it does to the dolls\u2019 eccentric creator, multibillionaire Ty Warner (Zach Galifianakis) \u2013\u00a0who steamrolls his female collaborators at every turn. It arrived in theaters July 21, obscured by the fog of \u201cBarbenheimer\u201d and its premiere canceled by the SAG-AFTRA strike, but the movie gets a wide release this Friday on Apple TV+. Naturally, the couple hopes that audiences find it and see the same timeliness in the story that they do.<\/p>\n

\n \u201cLook under the surface and you\u2019ll realize that this wasn\u2019t a weird blip in time,\u201d Kulash says of the plush parable that unexpectedly became the couple\u2019s first collaboration. \u201cIt\u2019s the same insanity that happens always. It\u2019s the logical conclusion to tech utopia and unequal workplace relationships \u2014 the American Dream and the false idea that everybody can get something that\u2019s too good to be true.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Zach Galifianakis and Geraldine Viswanathan in The Beanie Bubble<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Courtesy of Apple TV+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n

\n On the patio of a Silver Lake cafe in early July, Gore and Kulash appear to have easily navigated their first professional collaboration. \u201cWe don\u2019t think alike but agree on about nine out of 10 things, maybe even more. We just never get there the same way,\u201d says Kulash. They joke about the legal concerns inherent to dramatizing any true story, almost fondly reminisce about the six-year slog from pitch to release and fail to summon one example of a big disagreement throughout the whole process. That spouses could endeavor a feature film without some tension also seems too good to be true, but Gore, 46, and Kulash, 47, have an unconventional relationship. They were high school classmates in Washington, D.C., who struck up a friendship after 18 years of estrangement.<\/p>\n

\n \u201cWe recently found a notebook of Damian\u2019s from high school,\u201d says Gore, who\u2019s wrapping up her latest novel when not on the picket lines with fellow WGA members. \u201cHe\u2019d sketch during government club, and we found a portrait of me at age 16 in there.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n \u201cIt sounds just a hair<\/em> creepy,\u201d interrupts Kulash, whose previous directing credits include most of OK Go\u2019s viral music videos. \u201cBut there were many other people in there!\u201d<\/p>\n

\n Neither of them recall this classroom portrait sitting. But almost two decades later, they reconnected during a 2013 conference in Staten Island \u2014 \u201cWhere all great love stories start,\u201d jokes Kulash \u2014 and kept things strictly platonic for another year. \u201cWhen it became spontaneously romantic, she was very clear that we would not be together. In fact, she told me that I would not be ready for her emotionally for seven years,\u201d recalls Kulash, who ultimately bargained her down. They married two years later and gave birth to twins (a boy and a girl, now five) another two years after that. For most of that time, they toyed with the idea of a creative team-up. Now, over coffee, they open up about their professional baby, and the \u201cabsurd cultural touchstone\u201d that inspired it.<\/p>\n

\n What was your awareness of Ty Warner going into this?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n KRISTIN GORE <\/strong>We didn\u2019t even know he was a man. I just had known those animals and the word \u201cTy\u201d was on that heart-shaped tag. We missed the craze.<\/p>\n

\n DAMIAN KULASH <\/strong>I do remember it being one of those absurd cultural touchstones where people just lost their minds. There were nightly news<\/a> segments on people selling Beanie Babies for college tuition. But we were exactly the right age to ignore it completely and roll our eyes at how weird people can be.<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> It\u2019s a weird example of a lot of the fictions that power our world. Like, why do we value what we value? And what is currency anyway? [Laughs<\/em>.] We swarm to certain things like they have meaning suddenly, and you realize how arbitrary a lot of that is \u2014 how ephemeral it can be. It makes you start questioning your own role in it. What\u2019s interesting about this story isn\u2019t so much the toys but what they represented in terms of human behavior.<\/p>\n

\n Kristin, why do you think your team liked this book for you? It\u2019s not an anomaly in your resume, but I wouldn\u2019t call it \u201con brand.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> When I worked on Foxcatcher<\/em>, a friend of mine described it as \u201ca funeral for the American Dream.\u201d That phrase really stuck with me. I\u2019m drawn to that. For this, I wanted it to be a second line parade through the French Quarter type of funeral for the American Dream. I still want the darkness and dysfunction, but with joy and warmth and color. So, that\u2019s one through line. I mostly thought about having so many people see themselves in these women\u2019s journeys. I\u2019ve had a lot of experience with uncredited work. I respond to that aspect of dismantling this myth of the lone male genius who has a brilliant idea and brings it into the world. The reality of all these situations, throughout all industries, is that there\u2019s always so much more to the story. There\u2019s always so many other people involved. You don\u2019t know their names. They don\u2019t get the money. But they were crucial and critical. Why are we not more real about that? Why are we so committed to this myth?<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> Geraldine\u2019s character is basically the same age as us in real life. And I remember that time well, when it felt like the internet was going to transform culture and democracy and human connection in a way that couldn\u2019t be bad for us. There\u2019s always a generation seeing the big broad future and buying into these things because they believe \u2014 or want to believe \u2014 in a meritocracy. Our mothers were of a generation where, when they hit the glass ceiling in the corporate world, they saw it coming. They\u2019d been mistreated in a very particular way.<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> They couldn\u2019t get credit cards. They had to get it through their husbands.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> My mom still won\u2019t use American Express because they denied her and offered my father one the same year. I know this isn\u2019t universal, but in the world that I grew up in, there was this pervasive feeling that the world had been really bad and was getting better \u2014 and yet, racism, sexism and classism all still echoing. When the women in our generation hit glass ceilings, I think they were more surprised by it. Wait a second, I fucking thought that our parents did away with this.<\/p>\n

\n Gore<\/strong> There was an idea that if you just work hard enough, it\u2019ll all work out. Really? That\u2019s bullshit.<\/p>\n

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Joaquin Phoenix in Her<\/em> (2013); Gore contributed to the script for the film which was nominated for five Academy Awards and won best best original screenplay for Spike Jonze.<\/span><\/p>\n

Warner Bros. Pictures\/courtesy Everett Collection<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n

\n Can you speak a little bit more about your experiences with uncredited work?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> I was happy to help art that I felt was important get out there. I still am. There\u2019s nothing wrong with that. The way the system\u2019s set up \u2026 that was a late-breaking thing for me. My agents realized it way before I did and tried to get me to be more aggressive. Some things just were messed up internally. Each example is different, and I\u2019m proud of all the work. I love those movies<\/a>.<\/p>\n

\n How were the scenarios different?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> There was an example where I was asked to do it. I was asked to not challenge through the guild. And I agreed.<\/p>\n

\n You were asked by your collaborator?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> Yes. My agents were saying, \u201cAre you sure? Because you would likely get [credited].\u201d Well, I promised I wouldn\u2019t. Then there was another one where the production company submitted the wrong draft to the [Writers] Guild for their credit determination process. When the director became aware of it, they went to bat for me with the producers. They said, \u201cDon\u2019t worry, we\u2019ll fix it.\u201d Didn\u2019t fix it. When I went to the guild, they said, \u201cSorry, you missed the two-week window.\u201d It\u2019s complicated and boring, but there were always these things<\/em>. The earliest one, I was just so happy to help write some scenes that were being filmed the next day. It was fun. It never even occurred to me to ask for credit, because there was no contract or anything. Those are the main three.<\/p>\n

\n I\u2019m aware of Her<\/em> and Foxcatcher<\/em>. What\u2019s the third?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> I got to help out on some scenes in Moneyball<\/em>. And my first movie ever was with David O. Russell. We filmed for three months in South Carolina. This was during the 2008 financial crisis, and our funding fell through. We were shut down like eight times during filming \u2014 and then shut down for good before we got the last scene. Then, it was held hostage. David and I actually went in the edit room for four weeks. Then that got shut down, too. That was sad. Creatively, it was incredibly fun. It was this amazing cast.<\/p>\n

\n That\u2019s the Jake Gyllenhaal<\/strong> movie, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> It was called Nailed<\/em> when we were making it. It actually came out [in 2015 as Accidental Love<\/em>], and it\u2019s a rough assembly. Unwatchable, basically. It could have been great. But just to clarify: that uncredited work, it\u2019s part of my background. It was a lot of great experience that helped me make this movie.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> Well, except some of the most offensive things that are said to Geraldine\u2019s character [in the movie] were said to Kristin in real life.<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> There is some dialogue that\u2019s ripped from my real life, yeah. [Laughs<\/em>.] Mine is not a sob story. But the systemic inequality that exists actually ruins people\u2019s lives and holds people down in horrible ways. That\u2019s what we\u2019re trying to give people, an underdog story that resonates. Yeah, this system is oppressive and terrible. Let\u2019s just blow it up.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> Or walk away from it.<\/p>\n

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Damian Kulash and OK Go bandmates Tim Nordwind and Andy Ross performing in 2017 <\/span><\/p>\n

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\n Damian, you mentioned our original hopes for the internet. What\u2019s your relationship with that subject matter, considering OK Go essentially catered to the Internet with viral music videos but ultimately lost out on a lot of money \u2014 like so many artists \u2014 because of the internet\u2019s impact on recording profits?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> We did a great job of fucking over the rest of them, huh? [Laughs<\/em>.] At most points in my life, I can think either, \u201cI\u2019m so lucky that I am in this moment when this set of tools has finally opened to humanity,\u201d or, equally, \u201cOh, God, there goes what\u2019s so good about blank<\/em>.\u201d I genuinely feel lucky that my band and myself came along in a time when a bunch of weird and crazy creative ideas could be the output of the band. If I had been born in a completely different era, I hope that I would\u2019ve adjusted to whatever tools those were, but the tools themselves always push that envelope. And the envelope is always moving and losing something. I\u2019m equally sad about what we lose as I am happy about what we get.<\/p>\n

\n Tell me a little bit about the legal logistics of this movie. Were those even real Beanie Babies that you used?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> The book helped us tremendously, because that was our launchpad for everything. Apple really relied on that to give us some firm lines to stay within. It wasn\u2019t like we tried to get IP we couldn\u2019t get. Apple was like, \u201cWe use the book. We make our own Beanie Babies.\u201d Because we were more interested in Ty as a stand-in for the American Dream \u2014 and, more so, these three women as representative of so many people who see their stories in these stories, we went for it as a fable. And that\u2019s why we have the disclaimer [about it being partially true] at the beginning. We just want to be clear that this is not a documentary.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> We didn\u2019t want it to be about real Ty or about the real women exactly. It\u2019s almost comically impossible that people could make such weird decisions, yet you see them in the decisions we make every day. Being true to actual Ty was not ever an exact goal. So while this is about what happened, this is also fictional.<\/p>\n

\n In terms of the actual events depicted, what percentage would you say happened?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> A high percentage.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> Though not always by the same people they\u2019re attributed to in the story.<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> There are amalgamations in some places, because you have to always do that, but I would say 80 percent if I had to assign a number to it.<\/p>\n

\n So, did you give your children any of the Beanie Babies? And, if so, do you feel weird about it knowing what they represent?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Gore, Kulash and Galifianakis on the set of The Beanie Bubble<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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\n GORE<\/strong> The ones we made, yeah. They\u2019re not their favorite. [Laughs<\/em>.] They rejected them, but they have very specific animals they love.KULASH<\/strong> During the writing of it, somebody gave us a box of old Beanie Babies.<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> They threw them around a little bit, but they didn\u2019t feel the same passion that we do for this story.<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> They also don\u2019t know what we do. They know that we moved to Atlanta to work on \u201cthe big story.\u201d We don\u2019t really give them screen time, so they don\u2019t know what any of it is. At my parents\u2019 house, there\u2019s a TV that\u2019s always off. When they were there, they asked \u201cWhat\u2019s that black frame?\u201d<\/p>\n

\n GORE<\/strong> Like it was a picture frame up on the wall that\u2019s just black. We\u2019re like, \u201cAll right, we are depriving you guys. Sorry.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n KULASH<\/strong> They just started to watch one episode of cartoons per weekend. The good thing about having twins is that, for the most part, they\u2019re never bored. There\u2019s no, \u201cGod, just entertain them!\u201d It\u2019s basically like a steel cage match all day.<\/p>\n

\n Interview edited for length and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n