{"id":603984,"date":"2024-01-08T23:33:33","date_gmt":"2024-01-08T20:33:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/i-couldnt-be-complicit-why-one-saskatchewan-teacher-is-protesting-the-provinces-pronoun-law\/"},"modified":"2024-01-08T23:33:33","modified_gmt":"2024-01-08T20:33:33","slug":"i-couldnt-be-complicit-why-one-saskatchewan-teacher-is-protesting-the-provinces-pronoun-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/i-couldnt-be-complicit-why-one-saskatchewan-teacher-is-protesting-the-provinces-pronoun-law\/","title":{"rendered":"#\u201cI couldn\u2019t be complicit\u201d: Why one Saskatchewan teacher is protesting the province\u2019s pronoun law"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div id=\"attachment_1257864\" style=\"width: 2010px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-sizes=\"auto\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1257864 lazyload\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/macleans.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/CP168160262.jpg 2000w, https:\/\/macleans.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/CP168160262-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/macleans.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/CP168160262-843x562.jpg 843w, https:\/\/macleans.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/CP168160262-1000x667.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">(Photograph by Michael Bell\/Canadian Press)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In October, after 40 hours of debate and weeks of controversy, the Saskatchewan government passed Bill 137, a law that prevents children under 16 from changing their preferred name or pronoun at school without the consent of a parent. Premier Scott Moe insisted that the legislation, also known as the Parents\u2019 Bill of Rights, wasn\u2019t intended to target any particular group, but rather to help parents stay involved in their child\u2019s lives. Backlash was swift, from opposition members, human-rights advocates, lawmakers, and the group responsible for calling home: teachers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By November, several Regina-based educators had mounted an online petition, calling the Moe government\u2019s law transphobic and a violation of Charter rights and calling on school divisions (or boards) not to follow it. Their letter, they said, was a message of solidarity to trans youth<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Alex Schmidt, an elementary school teacher based in Regina, was an early signatory of the petition, which has amassed 120 signatures to date. Here, she discusses her decision to dissent, the potential harms of pronoun laws and why she\u2019s willing to risk her job to protect her students.<\/span><\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<p><b>How long have you been a teacher? What do you love most about your job?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is my eighth year. Right now, I\u2019m teaching Grades 3 and 4\u2014core subjects like English, math and <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/social-mediaa\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"1\" title=\"Social Media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">social<\/a> studies. I was saying today how much I like this age. You can get into deeper concepts with them, but they still really want to listen. That doesn\u2019t always h<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app<\/a>en as kids get older.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>The Saskatchewan government introduced Bill 137 in the legislature last fall, but there was an awful lot of talk about the \u2018pronoun policy\u2019 leading up to its passage. What was your initial reaction to the chatter?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m a straight, cis woman, so my experiences with sexual and gender diversity have come through people I know\u2014friends who grew up with me outside of Regina who weren\u2019t out until university, and an uncle who couldn\u2019t be happy and truly himself until he left our community. Because of that, I always wanted to support students in finding their identities, in whatever way they wanted.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When the bill came out, I was working on my master\u2019s degree, and I had just finished a summer course that was <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">specifically<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> about supporting gender- and sexually diverse students in the classroom. Trans youth can have difficulties at school because of their personal identity, which makes it hard for them to succeed as students. Things like microaggressions; teachers, even well-meaning ones, who made them feel different or \u2018not enough\u2019; feeling unsafe in bathrooms or changerooms. They need safe spaces. So I was a bit more fired up about the legislation than I might\u2019ve been before that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>READ:\u00a0This student is stuck in the middle of Canada\u2019s gender policy debate<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><b>In Ontario, where I live, the sex-ed curriculum has been a huge battleground for as long as I can remember. Now, everyone\u2019s moved onto pronouns. Do you have a sense of why this issue has caught fire across the country\u2014and why now?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This kind of othering\u2014using people\u2019s identities as a platform\u2014has always been politically beneficial; it\u2019s just that the targets have changed. We\u2019ve watched parties exaggerate these worries here in Saskatchewan and out in New Brunswick, and people are buying into it. There\u2019s this myth that teachers are pushing some kind of leftist agenda. We\u2019re not telling kids which gender they should be, or telling them to be trans by teaching them about trans identities. A lot of people are uncomfortable talking about these issues, so they\u2019d rather be angry than empathize or investigate.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>How did your colleagues feel about the bill? What was the talk in the staff room?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It fuelled anger in different ways for different people. The <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/news\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"2\" title=\"News\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">news<\/a> came out a week or two before we were back with the kids, so people were nervous, like, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0How do we keep students safe but also still have security in our jobs? Am I being enough of an advocate? Am I still doing enough to protect myself?<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Some teachers were frustrated that their colleagues weren\u2019t as outraged as they were, and willing to just go along with it. Among my colleagues, the biggest worry was the safety piece. In Regina, we have so many kids in the shelter system who are gender-diverse. In Canada, rates of self-harm and suicide is much higher among youth who are trans\u2014we should never go along with laws and movements that are going to perpetuate them. I just knew that, if there was the potential for harm, I\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">couldn\u2019t be complicit.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>How did you first find out about the petition, and why was it important to you to make your dissent public?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A group of three teachers in Regina wrote it up, then reached out to a few people who they knew would sign it, including me. They wanted to have a certain amount of signatures before they released it. In November, once they got about 20, they put it on Gopetition.com. A lot of people, even though they are allies and against the bill, were too uncomfortable to put their real names on it, so they signed it anonymously. I was less afraid of the consequences of signing my name than the consequences of not signing it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>W<\/strong><b>hat specific harms is the petition railing against, exactly?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Priority one is safety for students. If we have a child come to us saying they want to change their pronoun or preferred name, under the new law, we have to speak to a school admin, then sit beside that admin while they call the child\u2019s parents. What happens after that, at home? The other consequence of the bill is that kids could stop coming to me at all. Is turning to a peer, another child, really a safer option? Safer than seeking out an adult who can provide them with resources?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Have you seen any effects on acceptance and expression at your school already, as a result of the law?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the beginning of the semester, we had a really passionate group of students in our gay-straight alliance. A lot of those kids are missing now. When I talk to them about it, I\u2019ll say, \u201cHey, I missed you at Allies!\u201d which is what we call it. And then they say, \u201cOh it\u2019s because it\u2019s in a different room now,\u201d or, \u201cI wanted to eat lunch with my friends.\u201d I haven\u2019t had any kids specifically say they\u2019re not attending because of the law, but it\u2019s added the potential for them to be put in unsafe conditions. To be outed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>In Saskatchewan, the alternate name for Bill 137 is the Parents\u2019 Bill of Rights. The provincial governments that are entertaining or advancing these kinds of laws claim they\u2019re doing so to ensure parents are involved in the lives of their children. Do you think that\u2019s their true motivation?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No teacher is looking to take parents out of the picture. I\u2019m sure there are a lot of parents who need time to process the gender expression of their kids, maybe because of the way they grew up. I understand that. But in this case, the law is saying to children, \u201c<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> don\u2019t actually have rights anymore, because your parents\u2019 rights are greater.\u201d So until they\u2019re 16, they don\u2019t get the same respect as adults. They don\u2019t get the same room to explore, to know that they and their friends are safe\u2014all because it helps political parties get votes in conservative communities. I can\u2019t handle that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>A lot of the arguments in favour of these laws seem rooted in an entrenched belief that children are mere extensions of their parents. That autonomy is for those who are 18 and up\u2014or, in this case, 16.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you think about what age you were when you had your first crush, or how old you were when you started thinking about how you wanted to dress and what suited you, you\u2019ll recognize that those feelings\u2014and the capacity to make those decisions\u2014started very early. Some people think, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These kids will be okay because, once they\u2019re 16, this law won\u2019t affect them. They\u2019ll be able to do whatever they want.<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> When I hear that, the academic part of my brain thinks: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">our developmental years are crucial<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. If, as a kid, you don\u2019t have room for exploration, or adults in your life who demonstrate unconditional care, that can carry over into your adult years, whether that\u2019s in the form of eating issues or addiction or something else. And if kids aren\u2019t talking to their parents about their gender expression, I\u2019m sure some part of them thinks their parents\u2019 care is conditional.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Has working with your students given you any insights into how young kids make sense of gender? Is it a huge, scary deal to them in the same way it seems to be for some adults?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One time, we had a CFL player come to read to my class. After they introduced themselves with their name and jersey number, one student raised their hand and asked, \u201cWhat pronouns do you go by?\u201d I think about that so often, how, a lot of the time, students are ahead of the adults. When you\u2019re five years old, the gender identity of the person you\u2019re playing with doesn\u2019t matter. That mindset continues until someone stops it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What kind of blowback, if any, have you received from the public since you made your stance known?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I signed the petition, I didn\u2019t really think that strangers would seek me out; maybe that was naive. I received an anonymous letter that said I was harmful and divisive and a bad teacher. Other messages said I was a groomer and a pedophile and that I should lose my job. Some called me a coward, which was funny, because a lot of that feedback was anonymous.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Well, it\u2019s one thing to support the law in theory, or from the comfort of your keyboard, and another thing entirely to have to be the teacher calling home and potentially outing a student. <\/b><b><br \/><\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I haven\u2019t had to make those calls, but I\u2019ve talked to a couple of teachers who did. I have a close relationship with one of them and we were messaging back and forth. She was incredibly upset. I thought: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I know how much she cares about her kids. I could just never do what she just did.<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It\u2019s unacceptable to put teachers in that position, of having to deal with that guilt. And the people who\u2019ve signed the petition, whether with their names or anonymously, feel the same.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Have you received any sanctions from the school division yet? <\/b><b><br \/><\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Not that I\u2019m aware of. After the petition came out, Premier Moe released a statement that said the consequences for teachers are decided at a school division (or board) level. After that, our division told us things would be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. It\u2019s all a bit open-ended, but I think the division is hoping to find ways to support the child first before taking action against teachers. I hope that\u2019s what they do, but I\u2019m not confident enough in that to not have my name on that petition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Teachers wear so many hats\u2014educator, guardian and, obviously, confidante\u2014but you\u2019re also government employees. What do you wish Canadian politicians, like your premier, understood about the impact of these kinds of laws? And where do things go from here?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t think this law is going to last. There are a lot of people\u2014academics, human-rights groups, protesters, even children\u2014working to make it go away. Mostly, I wish politicians would allow teachers to do their jobs. I wish these governments knew the detriment they were causing. If he wants to see what\u2019s happening, Scott Moe can come and join me in my classroom anytime.<\/span><b><br \/><\/b><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>This interview has been edited for length and clarity.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><script async defer crossorigin=\"anonymous\" src=\"https:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/sdk.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">If you liked the article, do not forget to share it with your friends. 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