{"id":626521,"date":"2024-07-03T17:31:25","date_gmt":"2024-07-03T14:31:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/let-bands-play-for-as-long-as-they-want\/"},"modified":"2024-07-03T17:31:25","modified_gmt":"2024-07-03T14:31:25","slug":"let-bands-play-for-as-long-as-they-want","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/let-bands-play-for-as-long-as-they-want\/","title":{"rendered":"#Let bands play for as long as they want"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_84 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a26b51305229\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a26b51305229\" checked aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/let-bands-play-for-as-long-as-they-want\/#When_fans_are_complaining_that_punk_bands_arent_providing_value_for_money_something_has_gone_wrong\" >When fans are complaining that punk bands aren\u2019t providing value for money, something has gone wrong.<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"deck\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"When_fans_are_complaining_that_punk_bands_arent_providing_value_for_money_something_has_gone_wrong\"><\/span>When fans are complaining that punk bands aren\u2019t providing value for money, something has gone wrong. <span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"content_blocks\">\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-262537\" class=\"content_block breaker triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left image\">\n<div class=\"media_wrapper\">\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_1440,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_220,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 220w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_300,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 300w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 400w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 600w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_750,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 750w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_840,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 840w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_960,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 960w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_1260,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 1260w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_1800,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 1800w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/chat-pile_uvbx0h\/chat-pile.jpg 2400w,\" sizes=\"100vw\" alt=\"Let bands play for as long as they want\"><span class=\"img_caption\"><\/p>\n<p>    <span class=\"caption\"><br \/>\n      Chat Pile<br \/>\n    <\/span><\/p>\n<p>  <span class=\"credit\"><br \/>\n      \u00a0<\/p>\n<p>      Bayley Hanes<\/p>\n<p>  <\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-262541\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<div class=\"\" style=\"padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; text-align: left;\">\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-262535\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>            Last week, the Oklahoma City metal band Chat Pile waded into their <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/social-mediaa\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"1\" title=\"Social Media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Twitter<\/a> mentions to respond to a complaint. Their headlining show in London, the user moaned, was only 45 minutes long. \u201cMy friend,\u201d the band <a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/ChatPileBand\/status\/1806741560828014760\">responded<\/a>, \u201cI\u2019m begging you to go to a punk show once or twice in your life.\u201d On the surface it\u2019s a fairly unremarkable exchange, simply another example of how Twitter emboldens the loud and the wrong. But beneath the surface, it shows how audience entitlement towards bands is developing and raises troubling questions about what we expect from the musicians who entertain us. <\/p>\n<p>            The complainant\u2019s point reflected an ignorance on the length of an average rock show headlining performance. Still, consciously or unconsciously, everyone who attends shows regularly has their own expectations for an acceptable show length. Personally, I prefer it when shows are as laser-focused and tight as possible. I once saw Foo Fighters play for just under an hour: It was great because A) it was all bangers and B) They didn\u2019t have time to play anything written after 2005. On the flipside, I caught a Drake show early in his career during which he spent what felt like 20 unbearable minutes shouting out individual members of the audience as he padded for time; I left knowing he needed a few more hits under his belt, unsatisfied that my money and time ratio was aligned.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-262542\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<div class=\"\" style=\"padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; text-align: left;\">\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-262536\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>\n            There\u2019s also wonder beyond nostalgia to be had in the massive, career-spanning sets favored by veteran acts. Bruce Springsteen and The Cure regularly top three hours at their shows, as does Taylor Swift\u2019s multi-billion dollar grossing Eras Tour. These concerts are designed to bring the spectacle and thoroughness implied by their hefty price tags, but what is expected of stadium-sized heritage acts and the upper echelon of pop performers shouldn\u2019t not be in the same conversation as the punk world. Even though Chat Pile\u2019s song \u201cgrimace_smoking_weed.jpeg\u201d is a fantastic one, I doubt even the most steadfast fan would want to hear it on repeat until it hits the runtime of <i>Titanic<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>            Dismissal of the Chat Pile troll was swift and definitive. He was chastised for viewing live music as transactional, but I\u2019d push back against that. Buying a ticket to a show is transactional, to some degree, but only in the sense that it gives you access to whatever is h<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app<\/a>ening on stage that night. If an artist wants to play an exhaustive set or something far shorter, you pay to witness what they have in store. <\/p>\n<p>            That ticket purchase is key. Touring is more expensive for artists than ever yet it remains one of the few ways they can actually make money from music; even if the complaint was silly, the disproportionate outrage it generated stemmed from its attack on one of the last ways a musician can even attempt to live off their craft. Artists, especially independent or new ones, constantly state how important it is that people come out and see them &#8211; it can pay the bills in ways that streaming companies and their pittance-like royalty rates simply don&#8217;t (and even then,  it\u2019s by no means reliable, as countless tour cancellations have shown us). <\/p>\n<p>            It seems like this message has been warped in transmission though, and, instead of buying some vinyl or a T-shirt, some people now feel an inflated sense of importance, as if a ticket stub allows them to dictate the rules. Anyone who has been in an audience, or even a room of people in recent years, knows that rudeness is part of the deal now. People scroll their phones in movie theaters, they scream at waiters, and everyone is blasting TikToks with no headphones. Fostering a sense of community is difficult and it\u2019s sad to see that extend to the artists whose job is to entertain people. <\/p>\n<p>            Maybe live music, a pretty loose and etiquette-free environment, is going through an ungainly transition into a more individualistic age. Perhaps it\u2019s genuinely too much to ask a person who spends the day being catered to by algorithms and delivery drivers to give up that control when they walk inside a music venue. If these audiences are the future of music, one can easily imagine a live show disrupted beyond recognition into a Silicon Valley nightmare. Bands could start offering a range of shows \u2014 hours-long sets for the diehards down to half an hour of hits for the casual observer \u2014  and let people pick the show that best suits their needs. Ticketmaster could use dynamic pricing to make a killing on the most popular nights. In fact, maybe artists can use A.I. to pick their setlist. It might sound like hell, but let\u2019s not pretend some people wouldn\u2019t be really into it.<\/p>\n<p>            I have never seen someone crowd surf to a Netflix show or hug their friends to an Instagram reel. Bringing music out of individual consumption and into the unpredictable live arena remains one of the most thrilling ways of engaging with art. Live shows aren\u2019t at risk because some guy wishes Chat Pile played for longer but maybe it\u2019s a necessary jolt to remind yourself what actually is important about being in the room when an artist performs live. In an age free of consensus on pretty much anything, from geopolitics down to whether The Bear is actually good or not, isn\u2019t it comforting to be on the same page as a large group of people for an hour (or less)?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"author\">\n    <span><br \/>\n      By <span class=\"credit_name\">David Renshaw<\/span><br \/>\n  <\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">If you liked the article, do not forget to share it with your friends. 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Chat Pile \u00a0 Bayley Hanes Last week, the Oklahoma City metal band Chat Pile waded into their Twitter mentions to respond to a complaint. 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