{"id":704967,"date":"2025-12-24T11:35:08","date_gmt":"2025-12-24T08:35:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/creator-vince-gilligan-on-season-2\/"},"modified":"2025-12-24T11:35:08","modified_gmt":"2025-12-24T08:35:08","slug":"creator-vince-gilligan-on-season-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/creator-vince-gilligan-on-season-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Creator Vince Gilligan on Season 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>[This story contains spoilers major spoilers from <em>Pluribus<\/em>\u2019 season one finale, \u201cLa Chica o El Mundo.\u201d]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tRest assured, Vince Gilligan fans. He absolutely has a plan after <em>Pluribus <\/em>season one\u2019s bombshell ending.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tOne of the most well-worn <em>Breaking Bad<\/em> stories has to do with the flash forward in the penultimate season\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/watch-movies-tv-seriess\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"8\" title=\"Watch Movies &amp; TV Series\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">series<\/a> premiere, \u201cLive Free or Die.\u201d Walter White (Bryan Cranston) \u2014 with a new look and a new identity of Mr. Lambert \u2014\u00a0buys an M60 machine gun at an Albuquerque Denny\u2019s, and when he opens up the trunk of a vehicle to inspect his new hardware, Gilligan and his writers, famously, had no idea when or how it would be deployed. Gilligan\u2019s brain trust has always had a knack for writing themselves into jams and finding inventive ways out of them. However, these old habits have officially died hard.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tGilligan and his senior writers\/executive producers, Gordon Smith and Alison Tatlock, confirm that they didn\u2019t have Zosia (Karolina Wydra) deliver an enclosed atom bomb to Carol\u2019s (Rhea Seehorn) driveway without knowing what Carol\u2019s future intentions are for it. (\u201cFun fact\u201d in Zosia\u2019s voice: Gilligan explored nuclear warfare in <em>Breaking Bad<\/em>\u2018s second season when his team staged a scene at Albuquerque\u2019s then-titled National Atomic Museum. Jesse Pinkman\u2019s (Aaron Paul) friends examined the replica casings of the first two atomic bombs used in combat, \u201cLittle Boy\u201d and \u201cFat Man.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cWe\u2019ve got a pretty good idea where we\u2019re going with it,\u201d Gilligan tells <em>The Hollywood Reporter<\/em> after the <em>Pluribus<\/em> season finale about season two. \u201cWe don\u2019t consciously endeavor to paint ourselves into corners like we used to. We almost did that gleefully back in the day. That was when I was younger and had more energy. So I wouldn\u2019t say we\u2019re trying to paint ourselves into a corner with this [atomic bomb]. Definitely not.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tBack in the third episode, \u201cGrenade,\u201d Carol learned the hard way that the Joined will retrieve practically anything her heart desires. She nearly killed Zosia for the third time (out of an eventual four) when she mistakenly assumed the live hand grenade she sarcastically requested was just a dummy version. Written and directed by Smith, that episode concluded with Carol conducting a thought experiment by asking another Joined individual if they\u2019d still fetch her an atom bomb after the grenade mishap. In an impressive turn by Robert Bailey Jr., his polite DHL guy character reluctantly agreed they would.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tAt that point in the writing of season one, Smith and the rest of the writers room did not know they were setting up an ominous punchline in the finale by having Carol escalate matters to the nuclear option. As mentioned, they have a plan for the A-bomb going forward, but making good on it was a late addition during the start of the finale\u2019s production. The revised objective, in conversation with <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">App<\/a>le TV, was to leave audiences on a show-stopping cliffhanger, as opposed to the more low-key team-up that was originally planned for Carol and Manousos (Carlos-Manuel Vesga).<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tCarol\u2019s ever-changing motivation remains a topic of much debate. She was highly determined to save the world throughout the first six episodes, and while the ongoing threat of her being belatedly Joined provided her a major spark, restoring humanity seemed to be just as important as self-preservation. In episode two, she even referred to the other immune \u201cOld-Schoolers\u201d as \u201ctraitors to the human race\u201d for not helping her quest. But during episode six\u2019s Vegas getaway, she learned that she could decline to give the Joined consent to collect her stem cells in order to turn her into one of them. And thinking she was now in the clear, she abandoned her heroic pursuit in episode seven, opting to jaunt around Albuquerque for 36 days until her loneliness led her to beckon Zosia\u2019s return.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tIn episode eight, Carol, while in the company of Zosia, resumed her investigation into the Joined, at least until she and Zosia consummated their relationship. Then, in the finale, Manousos finally arrives in Albuquerque after nearly dying en route from Paraguay. His im<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/social-mediaa\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"1\" title=\"Social Media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">media<\/a>tely aggressive efforts to reverse the Joining drove the Joined to flee ABQ once more, prompting Carol to follow her feelings for Zosia instead of staying to help him save the world like he was expecting. What she didn\u2019t know at the time was that Zosia and the Joined were already scheming as well.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tAs revealed in the Tatlock and Smith-written finale, the Joined have found a loophole to turn her by way of her frozen eggs that were stored at a fertility clinic. Feeling betrayed, Carol has Zosia fly her back to Albuquerque with the aforementioned atom bomb attached to their helicopter. That\u2019s when she reluctantly agrees to participate in Manousos\u2019 ongoing effort to save the world. This dramatic turn of events raises the question of whether Carol wants to save the world or just herself.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cShe definitely wants to save herself at this point. I still think she wanted to save the world [earlier in the season], but she had been so beaten and isolated. It became difficult for her to stay the course,\u201d says Smith, who also directed the finale, his third directorial outing of the season. \u201cIt\u2019s, \u2018Oh God, these people are not the people I convinced myself that they could be.\u201d So the scales fell from her eyes a bit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tTatlock has a slightly different angle on it: \u201cI believe she does want to save the world, even if it is partly selfish. It gets to the question of, what is altruism anyway? Are we not always, at least in part, looking out for ourselves?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tSeason two will also get to the bottom of what Manousos learned from his solo effort to un-join a Joined individual named Rick. Gilligan makes it clear that the radio signal Manousos used in his experiment was <em>not<\/em> the more powerful signal that started the Joining in the first place. Season two may reveal who or what is behind that shortwave transmission.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tUnfortunately, it\u2019s going to be a while before we see the further adventures of Carol Sturka. Gilligan and his team have always been a meticulous bunch, and Apple TV generously agreed from the start that they\u2019d have as much time as they needed to achieve the quality that they and their audience have come to expect. <strong>\u201c<\/strong>It\u2019s going to frustrate some folks, just to be honest. We work at the speed we work at, much like glaciers melt at the speed that they melt at,\u201d Gilligan says. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tBelow, during a spoiler conversation with <em>THR<\/em>, Gilligan, Smith and Tatlock discuss Carol\u2019s counterattack, as well as their hope for a physical media release.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>We all know the famous \u201cmachine gun in the trunk\u201d story. When it was introduced in the <em>Breaking Bad<\/em> season five premiere, you had no idea how it was going to resolve. Is the atom bomb on the driveway the new machine gun in the trunk? Or do you have a clearer sense of the road ahead?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>VINCE GILLIGAN (Creator) <\/strong>That\u2019s a good analogy, but we\u2019ve got a pretty good idea where we\u2019re going with it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GORDON SMITH (EP) <\/strong>We have thoughts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>ALISON TATLOCK (EP)<\/strong> It\u2019s not that the machine gun has never occurred to us as a comparison; it has.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK <\/strong>But you also learn from past experience. So, yeah, we have some ideas.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1000px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((423\/1000)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Pluribus_109_F01202F-EMBED-2025.jpg?w=1000\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"423\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Rhea Seehorn\u2019s Carol Sturka and Karolina Wydra\u2019s Zosia in <em>Pluribus\u2019 <\/em>season one finale.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Apple TV+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Vince, I\u2019m not sure how well-known this is, but you\u2019ve taken your <\/strong><strong><em>Airwolf<\/em><\/strong><strong> and <\/strong><strong><em>Blue Thunder<\/em><\/strong><strong> fandom to the next level.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN, TATLOCK &amp; SMITH <\/strong>(<em>Laugh<\/em>.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Did you pilot the helicopter that drops off the A-bomb?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>No, I\u2019m pretty proud of my piloting skills, but I am in awe of our two different pilots. In episode two, a pilot named Greg dropped off that excavator, and man, that guy\u2019s a pro. Then there was a pilot named Ken who dropped off the atom bomb in the final episode. I am humbled by those guys. I could have brought that thing in and set it down within 10 feet of where it was supposed to go, but those guys make me look like I don\u2019t even know what I\u2019m doing. I couldn\u2019t have done it over and over again like those guys. They nailed it to the exact spot time and time again. Those guys made it look easy, and that\u2019s beyond my skillset.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> I thought Karolina [Wydra] was piloting. Was it not Karolina?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> (<em>Laughs<\/em>.) It looked like it was her, didn\u2019t it? That\u2019s the magic of movies. She really looked like she was flying that thing. It was very well done.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Once Carol left Vegas thinking she was free of a belated Joining, she went gallivanting around Albuquerque for 36 days. Eventually, when push came to shove, she chose a globe-trotting romance with Zosia over Manousos\u2019 offer to save the world. It wasn\u2019t until the personal threat returned in Big Sky, Montana, that she got back in the world-saving business. Does she actually want to save the world? Or does she just want to save herself?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>Good question.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s a good way of putting it. I feel like the answer is yes. She definitely wants to save herself at this point. I still think she wanted to save the world [earlier in the season], but she had been so beaten and lonely and isolated. She was by herself without even the other Old-Schoolers to talk to, and it became difficult for her to stay the course. Then she was saying, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m out of energy. I\u2019m both fighting the guy who came here to help me, and I\u2019m fighting the world\u2019s seven billion [Joined] people.\u201d I think she ran out of energy for a while, and [Zosia\u2019s reveal in Big Sky] was, as much as anything, a wake-up call to her. That personal threat didn\u2019t make her go, \u201cAnother personal threat? Now it\u2019s serious.\u201d It\u2019s, \u201cOh God, these people are not the people I convinced myself that they could be. I have to see them a little more clear-eyed.\u201d So the scales fell from her eyes a bit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> I believe she does want to save the world, even if it is partly selfish. It gets to the question of, what is altruism anyway? Are we not always, at least in part, looking out for ourselves? If she saves herself and not the world, she\u2019ll still be very lonely. So it does behoove her to try to keep saving the world in addition to herself.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Did Manousos\u2019 experiment to unjoin an individual named Rick definitively fail? Or was it interrupted by Carol before success or failure could be determined?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> That\u2019s another good question. I don\u2019t know. What do you guys think?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK <\/strong>He fails in the moment while still learning something.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> Yeah, an experiment within the scientific method, <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/general\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"3\" title=\"General\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">general<\/a>ly, moves through failure, and it keeps moving through failure. You learn more from saying, \u201cThat\u2019s not right. It did not stop them from being joined, but I did learn something. So what did I learn?\u201d What he learned and what he can do with it is hopefully going to be brought out in season two.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Was he using the same signal that started the Joining in the first place?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t want to ruin anything for season two, but I think it\u2019s okay to say it\u2019s not the [same signal].\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH <\/strong>I don\u2019t think we\u2019ve discussed it as being the signal from space. Manousos\u2019 is the shortwave. If we looked at the stuff that the scientists [in the premiere] were doing, they were coming in on a different wavelength.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK <\/strong>Different <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/technology\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"4\" title=\"Technology\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">technology<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH <\/strong>And way higher power. \u201cThey\u201d had to broadcast it from Kepler-22b.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> Which is 600 light years away. So I don\u2019t think we\u2019re giving anything away to say it\u2019s not the same signal. You don\u2019t need to assume that\u2019s the exact same signal.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>From episdoe eight\u2019s diner theatrics to Zosia making the first move to consummate the relationship, does the Joined\u2019s scheme to use Carol\u2019s eggs to turn her retroactively prove Carol\u2019s previous theory that everything was manipulation?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if we\u2019ve proven it. It\u2019s going to sound like I\u2019m dodging the question, but I\u2019m loath to nail down what exactly is going on there. I really want the audience to discover it for themselves \u2014\u00a0more so on this show than on <em>Breaking Bad<\/em> and <em>Better Call Saul<\/em>. Part of the joy for the audience is discovering the answers to these questions. But I will say, as human beings in real life, we can have multiple ideas in our heads at the same time, and I don\u2019t know that the Others are any simpler than real human beings. Human beings are capable of carrying multiple, sometimes conflicting, ideas at once in their heads. I don\u2019t know that the Others can ever lie to us. That means when they say they love us, we can take that to the bank. But can they have ulterior motives? That\u2019s possible. Can they be carrying two ideas in their heads at once? That\u2019s possible. But I\u2019m loath to nail it down exactly. We definitely have feelings about what\u2019s going on here, but I want to let the audience keep figuring out for themselves.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> In order to wrap our heads around it, we sometimes compare them to overly solicitous grandparents. Do one\u2019s overly solicitous grandparents love their grandchildren? Yes. And is that love genuine? Yes. And might they offer them candy in order for them to be quiet in the car? Yes. And is that manipulative? Yes. So all of that we felt could be true, and sometimes the line between caring for somebody and trying to comfort them and trying to manipulate them gets a little fuzzy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> That\u2019s a better answer than mine. That\u2019s the one I would use.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1296px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((730\/1296)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Pluribus_109_F01197F-H-2025.jpg?w=1296\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"730\" width=\"1296\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Seehorn\u2019s Carol Sturka and Wydra\u2019s Zosia in <em>Pluribus<\/em>\u2018 season one finale.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Apple TV+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>When Carol presses Zosia in episdoes eight and nine about the Joined\u2019s designs, her response is either that she doesn\u2019t understand what she means or that they\u2019re doing this out of love. Are the Joined even capable of recognizing that they\u2019re manipulating Carol?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>Can you think of examples in real life where people are manipulating without knowing it? I think the answer is yes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> It takes a lot of therapy usually to figure out if you\u2019re gaslighting somebody or being passive aggressive. This takes a lot of introspection.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> We use the word \u201cmanipulation\u201d as if it has a negative or bad or evil connotation, but if they\u2019re manipulating her for her own good, that\u2019s the grandparent example. You\u2019re manipulating us into answering your questions, but I don\u2019t think you have an ill intent to do so.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> You manipulate somebody to get off the ledge when they\u2019re about to jump, but you also save their life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>All season long, I\u2019ve been tracking intentional and less intentional connections to <em>Better Call Saul<\/em> and <em>Breaking Bad<\/em>, and while the finale presented a bit of a challenge, I think I found something.\u00a0Walter White was Mr. Crystallography. He contributed to research that was awarded the Nobel Prize. Is the crystallography book on Manousos\u2019 kitchen table meant to be a nod to Walt?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> Damn, man. You\u2019re good.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH <\/strong>I\u2019m not going to get this right, but there is a mathematical theorem in <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/sciencee\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"5\" title=\"Science\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">science<\/a> that if you go looking for order, you\u2019re going to find it. That is why there\u2019s constellations, right? You go looking to find a pattern and you find the pattern. But I\u2019m going to say no in this case. At least no one brought it to my attention when we were picking through books. We were just finding the books that could clear and felt like they were in the sphere of what Manousos would be looking at. But honestly, one of the props or set dec people may have thought that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> They play a deep <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/game\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"7\" title=\"Game\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">game<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> They do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>Our artisans \u2014\u00a0our department heads and crew members \u2014 think deeply about this stuff. It\u2019s possible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> It may have been somebody else\u2019s genius.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1296px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  \">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((730\/1296)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/Pluribus_109_00790F-H-2025.jpg?w=1296\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"730\" width=\"1296\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-padding-tb-025\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"a-font-secondary-s lrv-u-margin-r-025\">Seehorn\u2019s Carol Sturka and Carlos-Manuel Vesga\u2019s Manousos in the season one finale.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<cite class=\"a-font-accent-uppercase-xs lrv-u-color-grey-dark\">Apple TV+<\/cite><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Vince, I first became aware of this show over five years ago when you talked on a podcast about trying to find a way to do away with smartphones in a present-day story you were working on at the time. So I had a laugh at the end of the series premiere when Davis Taffler (Peter Bergman) explains how smartphones have become obsolete because I knew you\u2019d found a way. Were you reluctant at all to bring one back as a third character during the extended introduction between Carol and Manny?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN<\/strong> We couldn\u2019t think of another way to translate English into Spanish and Spanish into English in a somewhat timely fashion. We picked our brains, as we always do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH<\/strong> But it is in airplane mode.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>(<em>Laughs<\/em>.) Yeah, it\u2019s in airplane mode as she acts out.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK <\/strong>We were worried about it, honestly. We thought, \u201cOh man, all this translation is going to hold up the show.\u201d And in the end, partly due to excellent directing [by Smith] and editing [by Chris McCaleb], it actually served the scene. It allowed us to have a little bit of humor within an also pretty heavy situation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>They are amazing devices, but we just couldn\u2019t think of another way to do it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Vince, I don\u2019t know if you or your agent negotiated a physical release of <\/strong><strong><em>Pluribus<\/em><\/strong><strong>, but if so, will your version of the John Cena PowerPoint be on it?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK <\/strong>He was very good [in the role]!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>I know, right? I was good! I was on the set when Gandja Monteiro directed that scene, and we kept it a surprise because we hadn\u2019t recorded the John Cena part yet. So when Rhea and Samba [Schutte] were filming that scene, we didn\u2019t tell them it was going to be me [explaining HDP in place of John Cena]. But they were pros. They just rolled with it. I was sitting there watching it, and I was like, \u201cOh God, I\u2019m terrible.\u201d But they played off it great. And I, for sure, want there to be a physical release of this show. I think I can speak for these two as well as all the writers; we believe in physical [media].<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TATLOCK<\/strong> We like analog.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>I like owning the thing. I don\u2019t like renting it through the ether until it just goes away one day. I want to own the Blu-ray or the DVD or 4K Ultra blah, blah. I love that stuff. So we definitely want to have a physical version of this show; that is absolutely our intention. It\u2019s Sony\u2019s department. We\u2019re going to do our level best to make that happen, and maybe we\u2019ll put that [temp scene] on there. I don\u2019t know. It\u2019d feel kind of self-serving, and it\u2019s really not that good. There\u2019s a reason John Cena is John Cena, and there\u2019s a reason I\u2019m behind the camera all the time, not in front of it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>The season two writers room is already underway. Is a May production start date in the realm of possibility? Or am I writing checks you can\u2019t cash?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>May of what year? (<em>Laughs<\/em>.)<strong> <\/strong>No, I don\u2019t think so. I wish. Just like the Others, I\u2019m not going to lie. But we\u2019re working very hard.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>SMITH <\/strong>We will be back as soon as humanly possible.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GILLIGAN <\/strong>Yeah, it\u2019s going to frustrate some folks, just to be honest. We work at the speed we work at, much like glaciers melt at the speed that they melt at. For my own sake, as much as anybody, selfishly, I wish we could get this job done quicker because I don\u2019t know how many years I\u2019ve got left. I still want to do more things, but I go slower than I used to. So it\u2019s going to be a while between seasons; it just is. Unless we invent a time machine or figure out how to stop time, it\u2019s just the nature of the beast.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>***<br \/><\/strong>Pluribus <em>season one is now streaming on Apple TV<\/em>. <em>Read THR\u2019s previous interviews with<\/em><em> creator Vince Gilligan<\/em><em>, <\/em><em>EP Gordon Smith<\/em><em> and stars<\/em><em> Rhea Seehorn<\/em><em>,<\/em><em> Karolina Wydra<\/em> and <em>Samba Schutte<\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">If you liked the article, do not forget to share it with your friends. 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