{"id":718895,"date":"2026-03-26T00:25:11","date_gmt":"2026-03-25T21:25:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/moshpits-are-mid-now\/"},"modified":"2026-03-26T00:25:11","modified_gmt":"2026-03-25T21:25:11","slug":"moshpits-are-mid-now","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/moshpits-are-mid-now\/","title":{"rendered":"Moshpits are mid now"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_84 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a2ee04801c8c\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a2ee04801c8c\" checked aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/moshpits-are-mid-now\/#Conventional_wisdom_blames_social_isolation_for_rude_concert_behavior_Theres_a_simpler_explanation\" >Conventional wisdom blames social isolation for rude concert behavior. There\u2019s a simpler explanation.<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"deck\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Conventional_wisdom_blames_social_isolation_for_rude_concert_behavior_Theres_a_simpler_explanation\"><\/span>Conventional wisdom blames social isolation for rude concert behavior. There\u2019s a simpler explanation.<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"content_blocks\">\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-278979\" class=\"content_block paragraph image triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"media_wrapper\">\n<p>  <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_760,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_220,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 220w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_300,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 300w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 400w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 600w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_750,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 750w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_840,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 840w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_960,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 960w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_1260,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 1260w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_1800,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 1800w,https:\/\/thefader-res.cloudinary.com\/private_images\/w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best\/GettyImages-1330337971_jrqmuy\/ticket-prices-killing-moshpit-etiquette.jpg 2400w,\" sizes=\"60vw\" alt=\"Moshpits are mid now\"><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"img_caption\"><\/p>\n<p>  <span class=\"credit\"><\/p>\n<p>      Rich Fury \/ Getty Images<\/p>\n<p>  <\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-278975\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>\n            Monday night at the skaiwater show in Brooklyn, The FADER editorial director Steffanee Wang watched as several fans clambered on stage and launched themselves into the crowd. At some point, the crowd stopped catching the stage divers and began parting out of the way; it seemed a miracle nobody had broken their necks.\n          <\/p>\n<div class=\"\" style=\"padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; text-align: left;\">\n<\/div>\n<p>\n            The vignette reminded me of peak SoundCloud days, when Lil Uzi Vert and Travis Scott were in their prime. Uzi\u2019s <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_new\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jQDjmV1Kkfg?si=g38oELHv5G56p4YN\">classic leap at Rolling Loud<\/a> was instantly iconic, part and parcel with his on-the-edge rockstar image. Lately, though, rap shows have reminded me more of Scott\u2019s infamous 2017 concert at NYC\u2019s Terminal 5, where he coaxed a young man into jumping from the balcony. It was still some rockstar shit, but the risk had been offloaded from the asset to the customer.\n          <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-278976\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>\n            Feverish fans are of course h<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app<\/a>y to jump off stages and bridges if their favs so command them, but the lionization of those brave volunteers brings with it an unsentimental individualism. It\u2019s become a common sight at shows to see fans in hi-vis vests with whistles, attempting to steer the crowd toward safety or chaos depending on their inclination; ditto for dressing up in inflatable costumes (bananas, Minions, etc) or Jesus cosplay for attention. Everyone seems mostly well-intentioned, but it speaks to a mindset that treats the concert venue as a place to be seen, rather than a place to share an experience. And that\u2019s led to some oddly anti<a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/social-mediaa\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"1\" title=\"Social Media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">social<\/a> behavior infecting one of our last great communal third-spaces: the moshpit.\n          <\/p>\n<p>\n            You know exactly what I mean. The guy (and yes, it\u2019s always a guy) throwing his weight around aggressively no matter who\u2019s beside him, or windmilling his arms hard as shit unconcerned about who he smacks. The guy who wants to shove everyone out of his way to get to the barricade, and <i>will<\/i> step on your toes to get there. Guys like this have always existed, but lately, it feels as if more and more of them are cropping up.\n          <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"content_block paragraph triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"\" style=\"padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; text-align: left;\">\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-278977\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>\n            A few years ago, the prevailing wisdom was that moshpits at large had <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_new\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Metalcore\/comments\/z6d7o0\/larger_crowds_at_post_covid_shows_seem_to_not\/\">become more unruly<\/a> and inconsiderate <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_new\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/HaveANiceLife\/comments\/1e7msp7\/comment\/le1gmys\/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;utm_term=1&amp;utm_content=share_button\">in response to the isolation of the pandemic<\/a>. People had an excess of energy and were simply letting loose now that human contact was permissible again, or were perhaps too young to have been socialized into concert etiquette prior to COVID-19. But it\u2019s been years since then, and the question still remains: why are moshpits so bad?\n          <\/p>\n<p>\n            My coworker Tobias Hess posits that unlike DIY hardcore spaces, more mainstream shows for Ken Carson and the like lack <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_new\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/deathgrips\/comments\/13c0vl9\/rules_for_the_pit_a_concert_goers_guide_to_moshing\/\">early etiquette training for younger fans<\/a> just entering the scene. There are no older fans to show them the ropes, so to speak. That rings true: as timelines for artist signings have shortened and concert costs have ballooned, it seems as though younger SoundCloud rap fans outside of NYC, LA, and Atlanta have been effectively priced out of casual concertgoing, mirroring industry-wide trends across genres.\n          <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n<\/style>\n<div id=\"content_block-278978\" class=\"content_block paragraph text triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left center_align\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"paragraph_wrapper center_align\">\n<p>\n            TicketMaster and co. have done all they can to commodify the human experience of moshing together for years \u2013 consider the normalization and optimization of dynamic pricing \u2013  but price-gouging has reached new heights in the post\u2013pandemic market. A <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_new\" href=\"https:\/\/news.pollstar.com\/2025\/12\/23\/year-end-business-analysis-a-return-to-earth-2025-grosses-ticket-sales-drop-averages-increase-beyonce-oasis-coldplay-have-top-tours-venues-stadiums-rock\/\">business analysis by Pollstar<\/a> calculated that the top 100 touring artists in 2025 saw both concert attendance and gross revenues grow by 12% and 9% respectively. Considering the DOJ\u2019s recent sweetheart deal with Live Nation, it seems unlikely that fans will see any regulatory relief when it comes to ticket prices.\n          <\/p>\n<p>\n            Those rising costs have a compounding effect on antisocial behavior because of the sunk-cost mindset they engender. I love rap music, but I hold no illusions about the relatively low production value and costs associated with the average hip-hop show. When you\u2019re forced to pay $50, $60, $70 for tickets to a show that would have capped out at $45 a decade ago, you start thinking about the experience in terms of getting your money\u2019s worth. And all of a sudden, leaping off stage to crash into your fellow fans feels like clout you can count up.\n          <\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"content_block paragraph triple_gutter_right triple_gutter_left\">\n<div class=\"content_inner_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"\" style=\"padding-bottom: 20px; margin-top: 20px; text-align: left;\">\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"author\">\n    <span><br \/>\n      By <span class=\"credit_name\">Vivian Medithi<\/span><br \/>\n  <\/span><\/div>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">If you liked the article, do not forget to share it with your friends. 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There\u2019s a simpler explanation. Rich Fury \/ Getty Images Monday night at the skaiwater show in Brooklyn, The FADER editorial director Steffanee Wang watched as several fans clambered on stage and launched themselves into the crowd. 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