{"id":78294,"date":"2020-09-30T02:12:03","date_gmt":"2020-09-29T23:12:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/"},"modified":"2020-09-30T02:12:03","modified_gmt":"2020-09-29T23:12:03","slug":"hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"#Hey America, this is how you do a leaders debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_85 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-custom ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a367e7546d6d\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #dd3333;color:#dd3333\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6a367e7546d6d\" checked aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/#They_stuck_mostly_to_facts\" >They stuck mostly to facts<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/#They_gave_each_other_credit\" >They gave each other credit<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/#They_still_produced_high_drama\" >They still produced high drama<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/#They_always_admired_each_other\" >They always admired each other<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>#Hey America, this is how you do a leaders debate<\/strong>&#8221;<\/p>\n<div>\n                                                                        <iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"1984 Canadian Federal Election Debate\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Ydv3f4Qfd0E?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Hey, America. As you watch the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, you might be wondering if there\u2019s a better way. The Republican and Democratic standard-bearers typically engage in just so much grandstanding, boasting, spinning and, particularly in one candidate\u2019s case, outright lying from their perches onstage in front of the eyes of the world. Surely, there\u2019s a better way, isn\u2019t there?<\/p>\n<p>In this corner, we have a high opinion of the recent\u00a0<em>Maclean\u2019s<\/em> debates in 2015 and 2019. But tonight, cast your mind back to the middle of the 1980s. Ronald Reagan\u2019s re-election campaign was in full swing. With two months to go until his triumph, and about a month before Reagan took on Walter Mondale in their first showdown, Canada\u2019s three party leaders sparred in a debate for the ages. John Turner, the Liberal leader who\u2019d been prime minister for just three months after Pierre Trudeau\u2019s retirement, hoped to win his own term in power. Brian Mulroney, the Tory leader for just over a year, hoped to prove to voters that he was the real deal. And Ed Broadbent, the NDP leader, hoped for an electoral breakthrough for his <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/social-mediaa\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"1\" title=\"Social Media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">social<\/a> democrats. The debate had everything: future governor <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/general\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"3\" title=\"General\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">general<\/a> David Johnston as moderator, a genuine focus on public policy that still managed to be interesting and, of course, an eventual knockout blow that changed the course of the election.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s why a dose of Canadian debate should be your palette cleanser as Trump and Biden open their own <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/watch-movies-tv-seriess\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"8\" title=\"Watch Movies &amp; TV Series\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">series<\/a> of televised face-offs.<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"They_stuck_mostly_to_facts\"><\/span>They stuck mostly to facts<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Mulroney attacked Turner\u2019s record as finance minister, the PM\u2019s last job before leaving politics for almost nine years. The Progressive Conservative leader complained that Turner\u2019s time as steward of the public purse, between 1972 and 1975, was rife with poor performance. \u201cIn terms of profligacy, it is widely known that in your short period as minister of finance, inflation doubled, interest rates almost doubled, the federal debt doubled, and the $600 million surplus was transformed into an operating debt of $4 billion.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, interest rates\u00a0<em>did<\/em> almost double from 4.75 per cent to 8.5 per cent, and the inflation rate\u00a0<em>did<\/em> more than double from 4.8 per cent to 10.7 per cent. The national debt didn\u2019t double, but the accumulated federal deficit <em>did<\/em> increase from $23,980 in 1972-73 to $41,517 in 1976-77\u2014though that was more than a year after Turner\u2019s departure.<\/p>\n<p>In his reply, Turner claimed credit for the last two federal budget surpluses to that point. And he said that even though an economic downturn forced the government to increase expenditures\u2013which produced a $3.5 billion deficit\u2014the average budgetary deficit over his four years was under $750 million. In fact, Turner was correct that no finance minister had matched his modest surpluses. He was right that his final deficit added up to $3.5 billion, too. Our calculations are that his average deficit, however, was $965.75 million (that\u2019s based on <a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.canada.ca\/content\/dam\/fin\/migration\/frt-trf\/pdf\/frt96e.pdf\">these fiscal tables<\/a>).<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"They_gave_each_other_credit\"><\/span>They gave each other credit<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>The journalists asking the questions challenged both Turner and Mulroney, whose annual incomes were far above the national median, to explain to voters how they could possibly identify with the day-to-day anxiety faced by middle-income families who needed to pay the bills. Both men emphasized their modest means growing up\u2014Turner in Ottawa, Mulroney in Baie-Comeau, Que. \u201cI\u2019m always uneasy talking about this sort of thing. And I don\u2019t think I want to get into a contest of humility with Mr. Mulroney,\u201d said Turner. \u201cI\u2019ve worked hard, as Mr. Mulroney has, I\u2019ve had some luck in life, I\u2019ve been successful.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"They_still_produced_high_drama\"><\/span>They still produced high drama<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>The evening\u2019s most famous moment came near the end, during the portion of the 90-minute debate when Turner and Mulroney were responding to each other\u2019s answers. Turner had taken heat for <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/download-scripts-themes-apps\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"9\" title=\"Download Scripts &amp; Themes &amp; Apps\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app<\/a>roving a deluge of federal patronage appointments that handed plum gigs to Liberals. Turner had agreed to abide by a slew of appointments made by Trudeau on his way out of office. A year before the election, Mulroney had joked he would find jobs for Progressive Conservatives until \u201cthere isn\u2019t a living, breathing Tory left without a job in this country.\u201d He later apologized for the remark. His exchange with Turner arguably turned the tide of the election.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mulroney:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201cI\u2019ve had the decency to acknowledge that I was wrong in even kidding about it. I shouldn\u2019t have and I\u2019ve said so. You, sir, at least owe the Canadian people a profound apology for doing it. The cost of that, $84 million \u2026 We could pay every senior citizen in this country on the supplement an extra $70 at Christmas rather than pay for those Liberal appointments.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Tory leader demanded that Turner apologize for the patronage. But the PM wouldn\u2019t budge.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Turner:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI\u2019ve told you, and I\u2019ve told the Canadian people, Mr. Mulroney, that I had no option.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The moderator, David Johnston, was about to move on to the next question. But Mulroney interjected.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mulroney:<\/strong> \u201cYou had an option, sir. You could have said I am not going to do it. This is wrong for Canada, and I am not going to ask Canadians to pay the price. You had an option, sir, to say no. And you chose to say yes to the old attitudes and the old stories of the Liberal party. That, sir, if I may say respectfully, that is not good enough for Canadians.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Turner:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI had no option. If I was able\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mulroney:<\/strong> \u201cThat is an avowal of failure. That is a confession of non-leadership. And this country needs leadership. You had an option, sir. You could have done better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mulroney went on to a landslide majority victory that reduced the Liberal caucus to 40 seats\u2014and the NDP close behind at 30.<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"They_always_admired_each_other\"><\/span>They always admired each other<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Turner, Mulroney and Broadbent went at it again in the 1988 election, which produced a reduced Conservative majority and a larger Liberal caucus. When Turner died this year at the age of 91, however, both Mulroney and Broadbent expressed admiration for their former foe\u2014with no hint of malice.<\/p>\n<p>Mulroney told <a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ctvnews.ca\/canada\/a-great-public-servant-outpouring-of-tributes-following-john-turner-s-death-1.5112102\">CTV News<\/a>: \u201cJohn Turner was a gentleman in politics \u2026 I found him to be a very tough opponent and very vigorous opponent, but a gentleman in Canadian politics at all times.\u201d He told <a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.cbc.ca\/news\/politics\/politicians-reflect-on-john-turners-legacy-1.5731375\">CBC News<\/a>: \u201cHe was a great House of Commons man. He believed in democracy; he believed in our Parliamentary system. In\u00a0his career he performed brilliantly in the high portfolios that he was given.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Broadbent released a <a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/broadbent\/status\/1307399460444667904\">statement on Twitter<\/a>: \u201cJohn Turner, of all the party leaders I have known, had the deepest respect for Parliament and for its democratic rules and procedures.\u00a0He was an immensely civilized man. Canada will miss him. My warmest wishes and condolences to his family on this difficult day.\u201d<br \/>\n<span class=\"ctx-article-root\"><!-- --><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">For forums sites go to <span style=\"color: #ff9900;\"><a style=\"color: #ff9900;\" href=\"https:\/\/forum.buradabiliyorum.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Forum.BuradaBiliyorum.Com<\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>If you want to read more <a href=\"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/category\/news\/\" data-internallinksmanager029f6b8e52c=\"2\" title=\"News\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">News<\/a> articles, you can visit our <span style=\"color: #ff9900;\"><a style=\"color: #ff9900;\" href=\"https:\/\/en.buradabiliyorum.com\/general\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">General category.<\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><a style=\"color: #ff9900;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.macleans.ca\/politics\/hey-america-this-is-how-you-do-a-leaders-debate\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Source<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;#Hey America, this is how you do a leaders debate&#8221; Hey, America. As you watch the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, you might be wondering if there\u2019s a better way. The Republican and Democratic standard-bearers typically engage in just so much grandstanding, boasting, spinning and, particularly in one candidate\u2019s case, outright&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":78295,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"fifu_image_url":"https:\/\/www.macleans.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/CANADIAN_DEBATE_US_DEBATE_2020_SEPT_29-766x431.png","fifu_image_alt":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[73574,73575,67806,73576],"class_list":["post-78294","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-general","tag-brian-mulroney","tag-ed-broadbent","tag-editors-picks","tag-john-turner"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/78294","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=78294"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/78294\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/78295"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=78294"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=78294"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/buradabiliyorum.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=78294"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}